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Any ideas for my Staxx Oath

Started by Kassow-Rossing, 03-02-2012, 04:11:58 PM

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Kassow-Rossing

This time I will not comment on strategies, card choices or comboes in the deck. I will just post the deck and see what you guys have to say. Any critique, suggestions or questions are fine :)


Staxx Oath
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Lands (36 lands, 35 produce mana)
10 Dual lands
10 Fetch Lands
Krosan Verge

City of Brass
Glimmervoid
Reflecting Pool
Exotic Orchard
Tendo Ice Bridge

Celestial Colonnade
Creeping Tar Pit
Stirring Wildwood

Ancient Tomb
City of Traitors

Wasteland
Rishadan Port

Flagstones of Trokair

Mishra's Workshop

The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale

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Mana Artifacts (16)
Chrome Mox
Mox Diamond

Azorius Signet
Dimir Signet
Fellwar Stone
Grim Monolith
Orzhov Signet
Prismatic Lens
Talisman of Dominance
Talisman of Progress
Golgari Signet

Awakening Zone
Coalition Relic
Worn Powerstone

Thran Dynamo

Gilded Lotus

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Theme Cards (11)
Crucible of Worlds

Winter Orb
Rising Waters

Tangle Wire
Smokestack
Nether Void

Armageddon
Ravages of War
Wildfire
Burning of Xinye
Devastation

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Other Removal (12)
Swords to Plowshares
Lightning Bolt
Mana Drain

Vindicate
Maelstrom Pulse
Oblivion Ring

Wrath of God
Damnation
Day of Judgment
Barter in Blood

Humility
The Abyss

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Discard (2)
Thoughtseize
Inquisition of Kozilek

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Draw/Tutor (6)
Sensei's Divining Top

Demonic Tutor
Tainted Pact

Sylvan Library
Phyrexian Arena

Fact or Fiction

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Win Conditions (16)
Oath of Druids

Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre
Iona, Shield of Emeria (This card could also be Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur)

Liliana of the Veil
Jace, the Mind Sculptor
Garruk Wildspeaker
Elspeth, Knight-Errant
Sorin, Lord of Innistrad
Ajani Vengeant
Tezzeret the Seeker
Gideon Jura
Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker

Bitterblossom

Bribery

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100 cards


At the moment and in my current meta environment the only card that feels a bit odd is Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker.

Let me hear your comments if you'd like. The only thing I need you to keep in mind is this: I do not wish to change into a completely other deck and I do not wish to change into a more-creature build (with or without Oath of Druids). I wish to keep the same theme and 2-4 creatures in the deck.

Thx a lot, Patrick

Tabris

You have a different approach on the deck but I will post my recent UBG-Oath version (which is more like a classic oath deck, a lot of answers and a few win conditions (oath, pw))and dont have any staxx elements or more colors.

Its similar to the version from MMD but with some different card choices. I am testing it for some time and its working so far. I would like to have more graveyard recurision (flashback, gargoyle castle + crucible and stuff).

heres the deck http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ubg-oath/

LasH

#2
Here are some thoughts:

I still dont like the dis-synergys in your deck called bb + abyss, abys + your creature choice, Humility etc - token theme + tabernacle, token theme + oath etc etc the list is pretty long

21 artifacts is not enough to support workshop in my opinion. That means workshop is useless for 79 cards in your deck, you cannot cast a single early "threat" with it (ok tangle wire).

Smokestack and nether void never ever won a game for me.

Karakas and all your creatures are useless.

You play to many dead cards in my opinion. Emrakul Iona and Ulamog are nearly always a dead handcard. + U Play nicol bolas and 2 armageddons and the wildfire effects. You will never cast these cards from your hand. Your own "theme" owns half of your cards by itself.

No Lifegain at all and 10 fetchies + phyrexian arena + bb? I dont see how your deck beats ever a rdw in bo3 (only a turn 3/4 wildfire can save you in this mu) or any decent 5c aggro.

I liked your titan stax version much more.

Kassow-Rossing

OK thx for your answers guys. Always nice to get second and third opinions on stuff.

Kassow-Rossing

Now I need your opinion once again if you'd be so kind. I know the deck is not tier 1 and probably won't ever be it, so all I need to know is: Do you feel the deck has improved or not since the first version.

Out: The Abyss
In: Consuming Vapors
Reason: The Abyss was not amazing with 2 of my 3 large creatures or any of the tokens. The Abyss rarely kills more then 2 creatures in a game. Consuming Vapors has a weak life gain attached. As Lash mentioned the deck needs life gain and this might be the first step. Batterskull is insanely strong in some match-ups but I don't see those that often right now, so I'll leave it in the "sideboard" for now.

Out: The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
In: Relic of Progenitus
Reason: It's a land for a non-land. However Tabernacle doesn't tap for mana even though it works with Mox Diamond. Relic can draw me a card, which sort of makes up for this. I needed an answer for reanimator due to my meta environment. I have a decent amount of tutors, so I felt like this card should have a go. I thought of Nihil Spellbomb as well, but I'm gonna try Relic at first.

Out: Nether Void
In: Liliana Vess
Reason: Liliana Vess is not the strongest card, so maybe this is not the right call. I need to get rid of Nether Void for now and I felt like getting an extra tutor spell. Also for Relic of Progenitus. I'm gonna try Liliana 1.0 for a week or so and then decide to cut it or not.

Out: Mishra's Workshop
In: Crystal Vein
Reason: As Lash mentioned earlier in this thread I can only cast ramp spells with Workshop and only around 20 cards, which means 80 % of my deck is not castable with Workshop. Crystal Vein is a fine card in a deck with a lot of bombs, which needs to be dropped early on and in a deck with some Armageddon effects. I will try this land for some time. I was also thinking about Vitu-Ghazi, the City Tree. It doesn't at all work well with the Winter Orb theme, but it works quite well with Planeswalkers and Smokestack. I doubt it's enough but if Crystal Vein is not good enough, I will try Vitu-Ghazi, the City Tree just for fun and for the testing.

So what do you guys think? Any of the above decisions I should redo? Any suggestions to what I else could do?
Thx, Patrick

Kassow-Rossing

Okay the newest deck list (Just for info if people are interested)

This time I will not comment on strategies, card choices or comboes in the deck. I will just post the deck and see what you guys have to say. Any critique, suggestions or questions are fine :)


Staxx Oath
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Lands (35 lands)
10 Dual lands
10 Fetch Lands
Krosan Verge

City of Brass
Glimmervoid
Reflecting Pool
Exotic Orchard
Tendo Ice Bridge

Celestial Colonnade
Creeping Tar Pit
Stirring Wildwood

Ancient Tomb
City of Traitors
Crystal Vein

Wasteland
Rishadan Port

Flagstones of Trokair

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Mana Artifacts (16)
Chrome Mox
Mox Diamond

Azorius Signet
Dimir Signet
Fellwar Stone
Grim Monolith
Orzhov Signet
Prismatic Lens
Talisman of Dominance
Talisman of Progress
Golgari Signet

Awakening Zone
Coalition Relic
Worn Powerstone

Thran Dynamo

Gilded Lotus

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Theme Cards (9)
Crucible of Worlds

Winter Orb

Tangle Wire
Smokestack

Armageddon
Ravages of War
Wildfire
Burning of Xinye
Devastation

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Other Removal (13)
Swords to Plowshares
Lightning Bolt
Brittle Effigy
Mana Drain

Vindicate
Maelstrom Pulse
Oblivion Ring

Consuming Vapors

Wrath of God
Damnation
Day of Judgment
Barter in Blood

Humility

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Discard (3)
Thoughtseize
Inquisition of Kozilek
Duress

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Draw/Tutor (9)
Sensei's Divining Top
Relic of Progenitus

Demonic Tutor
Tainted Pact
Praetor's Grasp
Wargate

Sylvan Library
Phyrexian Arena

Fact or Fiction

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Win Conditions (15)
Oath of Druids

Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre
Iona, Shield of Emeria (This card could also be Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur)

Liliana of the Veil
Jace, the Mind Sculptor
Garruk Wildspeaker
Elspeth, Knight-Errant
Sorin, Lord of Innistrad
Ajani Vengeant
Tezzeret the Seeker
Gideon Jura

Bitterblossom

Animate Dead
Bribery

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100 cards


Okay so I needed some more stuff against reanimator + a few of my cards were too often dead.

Brittle Effigy turns Tezzeret into a removal spell and also makes Tezzeret even more effective when Smokestack is on the battlefield. Brittle also turns Wargate into a removal spell for 4 and 4 mana instead of 7 payed all at once.

Cards I'm only testing at the moment: Praetor's Grasp, Brittle Effigy, Animate Dead and Duress.

coldcrow

#6
Not an Oath deck but if I'd want a Prison deck these days I'd probably build along the following lines:

1 Death Cloud
1 Necropotence
1 Yawgmoth's Bargain
1 Phyrexian Arena
1 Academy Rector
1 Armageddon
1 Ravages of War
1 Smokestack
1 Braids, Cabal Minion
1 Smallpox
1 Vindicate
1 Liliana Vess
1 Gideon Jura
1 Crucible of Worlds
1 Mox Diamond
1 Orzhov Signet
1 Fellwar Stone
1 Coalition Relic
1 Worn Powerstone
1 Talisman of Dominance
1 Talisman of Indulgence
1 Talisman of Progress
1 Talisman of Unity
1 Prismatic Lens
1 Swords to Plowshares
1 Path to Exile
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Dimir Machinations
1 Shred Memory
1 Damnation
1 Wrath of God
1 Angel of Despair
1 Desolation Angel
1 Baneslayer Angel
1 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Disenchant
1 Diabolic Edict
1 Tribute to Hunger
1 Bloodstained Mire
1 Verdant Catacombs
1 Polluted Delta
1 Marsh Flats
1 Flooded Strand
1 Arid Mesa
1 Windswept Heath
1 Karakas
1 Flagstones of Trokair
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Wasteland
1 Dust Bowl
1 Mishra's Factory
1 Horizon Canopy
6 Swamp
3 Plains
1 The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
1 Expedition Map
1 Scrubland
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Consuming Vapors
1 Wildfire
1 Burning of Xinye
1 Devastation
1 Talisman of Impulse
1 Rakdos Signet
1 Boros Signet
1 Batterskull
1 Firespout
1 Lightning Helix
1 Tangle Wire
1 Ajani Vengeant
1 Wheel of Fortune
1 Elspeth Tirel
1 Sorin, Lord of Innistrad
1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
1 Timely Reinforcements
1 Hide // Seek
1 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Mortarpod
1 Destructive Force
1 Innocent Blood
1 Pristine Talisman
1 Wall of Omens
1 Wooded Foothills
1 Mountain
1 Plateau
1 Badlands
1 Maze of Ith
1 Sacred Foundry
1 Godless Shrine
1 Blood Crypt
1 Ancient Tomb
1 City of Traitors
1 Wurmcoil Engine

Sorry for the unformatting.

Enchantments that could be included: Moat, Necromancy, BB.