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« Reply #120 on: 12-01-2014, 09:28:10 PM »

evaluation banned-list / free mulligan

2013
   
   Banned-List                  Free Mulligan               
   10      3      5,56%            8      14,81%   
   9      14      25,93%            10      18,52%   
   8      19      35,19%            11      20,37%   
   7      12      22,22%            9      16,67%   
   6            0,00%            4      7,41%   
   5      2      3,70%            4      7,41%   
   4      2      3,70%            1      1,85%   
   3            0,00%            1      1,85%   
   2            0,00%            1      1,85%   
   1            0,00%            3      5,56%   
   -      2      3,70%            2      3,70%   
         54                  54         

Average Banned-List: 7,88
Average Mulligan: 7,19

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2012

                                    
   
   Banned-List                  Mulligan               
   10      4      9,30%            22      51,16%   
   9      17      39,53%            12      27,91%   
   8      14      32,56%            5      11,63%   
   7      5      11,63%                  0,00%   
   6      2      4,65%            2      4,65%   
   5            0,00%                  0,00%   
   4            0,00%                  0,00%   
   3            0,00%            1      2,33%   
   2            0,00%                  0,00%   
   1      1      2,33%            1      2,33%   
   -            0,00%                  0,00%   
         43      100,00%            43      100,00%   
                                 

Average Banned-List: 8,21
Average Mulligan: 8,93


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2010
                           
      
                                 
   Banned-List                  Mulligan               
   10      3      6,98%      10      28      65,12%   
   9      17      39,53%      9      1      2,33%   
   8      13      30,23%      8      5      11,63%   
   7      9      20,93%      7      1      2,33%   
   6            0,00%      6      3      6,98%   
   5            0,00%      5      3      6,98%   
   4      1      2,33%      4            0,00%   
   3            0,00%      3      1      2,33%   
   2            0,00%      2            0,00%   
   1            0,00%      1      1      2,33%   
   -            0,00%                     
         43      100,00%            43      100,00%   
                                 
Rating of Banned-Liste 8,23 (7,19 in 2008)
Ratng of Mulligan 8,67 (8,92 in 2008)

                           
                                    
                                    
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« Reply #121 on: 12-01-2014, 09:52:39 PM »

54 took part on the evaluation
Nominees for ban / unban   

   Ban:                  Unban:               
   True-Name Nemesis      24      44,44%      Entomb      11      20,37%   
   Oath of Druids      17      31,48%      Mystical Tutor      9      16,67%   
   Mana Drain      13      24,07%      Gifts Ungiven      8      14,81%   
   Tolarian Academy      10      18,52%      Natural Order      7      12,96%   
   Demonic Tutor      9      16,67%      Stoneforge Mystic      5      9,26%   
   Sensei's Divining Top      9      16,67%      Library of Alexandria      5      9,26%   
   Mishra's Workshop      6      11,11%      Umezawa's Jitte      5      9,26%   
   Wasteland      3      5,56%      Vampiric Tutor      4      7,41%   
   Price of Progress      3      5,56%      Imperial Seal      2      3,70%   
   Life from the Loam      3      5,56%      Grindstone      2      3,70%   
   Dark Depths      2      3,70%      Fastbond      2      3,70%   
   Back to Basics      2      3,70%      Birthing Pod      2      3,70%   
   Blood Moon      2      3,70%      Mana Vault      2      3,70%   
   Worldly Tutor      1      1,85%      Mind Twist      1      1,85%   
   Yawgmoth's Will      1      1,85%      Survival of the Fittest      1      1,85%   
   Intuition      1      1,85%      Strip Mine      1      1,85%   
   Deathrite Shaman      1      1,85%      Falling Star      1      1,85%   
   Craterhoof Behemoth      1      1,85%      Sol Ring      1      1,85%   
   Enlightened Tutor      1      1,85%                     
   Fetchlands      1      1,85%                     
   Tarmogoyf      1      1,85%                     
   Sword of the Meek      1      1,85%                     
   Hermit Druid      1      1,85%                     
   Wheel of Fortune      1      1,85%                     
                                 
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2012

   
   Ban:                  Unban:               
   Birthing Pod      20      46,51%      Life from the Loam      11      25,58%   
   Stoneforge Mystic      13      30,23%      Yawgmoth's Will      9      20,93%   
   Sensei's Divining Top      7      16,28%      Gifts Ungiven      8      18,60%   
   Mana Drain      6      13,95%      Dread Return      8      18,60%   
   Batterskull      4      9,30%      Enlightened Tutor      8      18,60%   
   Mishra's Workshop      4      9,30%      Library of Alexandria      5      11,63%   
   Worldly Tutor      4      9,30%      Mystical Tutor      5      11,63%   
   Jace, the Mind Sculptor      3      6,98%      Lion's Eye Diamond      5      11,63%   
   Demonic Tutor      3      6,98%      Entomb      4      9,30%   
   Aether Vial      2      4,65%      Umezawa's Jitte      3      6,98%   
   Eladamri's Call      2      4,65%      Balance      2      4,65%   
   Intuition      2      4,65%      Sol Ring      1      2,33%   
   Moat      1      2,33%      Survival of the Fittest      1      2,33%   
   Crumbling Sanctuary      1      2,33%      Tinker      1      2,33%   
   Channel      1      2,33%      Strip Mine      1      2,33%   
   Wheel of Fortune      1      2,33%                     
   Wasteland      1      2,33%                     
   Fetchlands      1      2,33%                     
                                 



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2010
   

   Ban:                  Unban:               
   Natural Order      11      25,58%      Life from the Loam      11      25,58%   
   Mana Drain      7      16,28%      Trinisphere      9      20,93%   
   Demonic Tutor      6      13,95%      Buried Alive      8      18,60%   
   Mishra's Workshop      5      11,63%      Enlightened Tutor      7      16,28%   
   Oath of Druids      5      11,63%      Yawgmoth's Will      6      13,95%   
   Gifts Ungiven      4      9,30%      Mystical Tutor      5      11,63%   
   Aether Vial      3      6,98%      Entomb      5      11,63%   
   Sensei's Divining Top      3      6,98%      Umezawa's Jitte      4      9,30%   
   Progenitus      2      4,65%      Tolarian Academy      4      9,30%   
   Moat      2      4,65%      Library of Alexandria      4      9,30%   
   Worldly Tutor      2      4,65%      Imperial Seal      4      9,30%   
   Stoneforge Mystic      2      4,65%      Dread Return      3      6,98%   
   Intuition      2      4,65%      Wheel of Fortune      2      4,65%   
   Trygon Predator      1      2,33%      Survival of the Fittest      1      2,33%   
   Onslaught Cycle-Lands      1      2,33%      Strip Mine      1      2,33%   
   Worldgorger Dragon      1      2,33%      Skullclamp      1      2,33%   
   Channel      1      2,33%      Mind Twist      1      2,33%   
   Power Artifact      1      2,33%      All Moxes      1      2,33%   
   Thopter Foundry      1      2,33%                     
   Protean Hulk      1      2,33%                     
   Karakas      1      2,33%                     
   Price of Progress      1      2,33%                     
   Quasli Pridemage      1      2,33%                     
   Shahrazad      1      2,33%                     
   
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« Reply #122 on: 17-01-2014, 02:49:19 PM »

Even if Vazdru already evaluated the poll, i would like to post my answers anyways.

Name:
SirGalahad // Jonas

How do you rate the banned-list on a scale from 1 to 10 (1=poor, 10=great)?
7

Which mulligan-rule do you prefer?
Paris-mulligan or Canadian mulligan

How do you rate the free mulligan on a scale from 1 to 10?
7

How often do you play Highlander (mp.org-rules)
Once a week

How often have you played on a HL-GP / -Cup?
I think i played about 6-7 Gp's.

Which cards are missing on the banned-list and why? (max. the 5 most important ones)
Mana Drain, Demonic Tutor

Which cards should be deleted from the banned-list and why? (max. the 5 most important ones)
Entomb - Should not be a problem with everybody plaing Deathrite
Natural Order - I don't understand why this card is on the list
Stoneforge Mystic - I never saw a problem in this card
Umezawa's Jitte - I would love to see Jitte on the watchlist so people would test it

Additionally i would like to thank the council and especially Vazdru for the all the work put into this poll and the work put into keeping this format alive und fun to play.
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« Reply #123 on: 31-03-2014, 07:41:05 AM »

This is a bit late but here we go:

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How do you rate the banned-list on a scale from 1 to 10 (1=poor, 10=great)?
7

Which mulligan-rule do you prefer?
Free mulligan

How do you rate the free mulligan on a scale from 1 to 10?
8

How often do you play Highlander (mp.org-rules)
Several times a week

How often have you played on a HL-GP / -Cup?
I haven't played on those

Which cards are missing on the banned-list and why? (max. the 5 most important ones)
-Mana Drain because it is too powerful, can be "comboed" with any card that requires mana to cast (Cast mana drain on turn 3 to counter opponent's spell and bring your 6 or 7 mana big thing out...)
-True-Name Nemesis because the card was designed for multiplayer and is being unfair in 1v1.
-Sensei's Divining Top because it is too Time Consuming and is played in nearly every deck.


Which cards should be deleted from the banned-list and why? (max. the 5 most important ones)
-Entomb because I dont think this card would be a big problem. It can be only run in limited number of decks and yes, it can be very potent in the right deck, but so can other cards (like the recently unbanned Tolarian Academy). It would also strengthen graveyard-based decks, which are pretty much nonexistent in our current meta except for a few exceptions. I think unbanning this card would provide a possibility for further developing deck diversity.
-Natural Order Should be unbanned because it isn't that strong card as 4 mana sorcery spell that is card disavantage especially when countered.

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« Reply #124 on: 27-12-2014, 11:48:48 AM »

once again

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Highlander banned-list

•   Ancestral Recall
•   Balance
•   Birthing Pod
•   Black Lotus
•   Chaos Orb
•   Entomb
•   Falling Star
•   Fastbond
•   Flash
•   Gifts Ungiven
•   Grindstone
•   Imperial Seal
•   Library of Alexandria
•   Mana Crypt
•   Mana Vault
•   Mind Twist   
•   Mox Emerald
•   Mox Jet
•   Mox Pearl
•   Mox Ruby
•   Mox Sapphire
•   Natural Order
•   Shahrazad
•   Skullclamp
•   Sol Ring
•   Stoneforge Mystic
•   Strip Mine
•   Survival of the Fittest
•   Time Vault
•   Time Walk
•   Tinker
•   Umezawa's Jitte
•   Vampiric Tutor   
•   Amulet of Quoz
•   Bronze Tablet
•   Contract from Below
•   Darkpact
•   Demonic Attorney
•   Jeweled Bird
•   Rebirth
•   Tempest Efreet
•   Timmerian Fiends



How do you rate the banned-list on a scale from 1 to 10 (1=poor, 10=great)?

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Which mulligan-rule do you prefer?


   Free Mulligan

   Spoils / Poker Mulligan

   Road to Paris



How do you rate the free mulligan on a scale from 1 to 10?

__________


How often do you play Highlander (mp.org-rules)


   several times weekly

   once per week

   once per month
   
   only tournaments


How often have you played on a HL-GP / -Cup (including this one / no. 14)?

___________



Which cards are missing on the banned-list and why? (max. the 5 most important ones)

___________________________________________________________________________

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Which cards should be deleted from the banned-list and why? (max. the 5 most important ones)

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Which prices do you like to win on a HL-Cup like this?


   Highlander staples from older sets like Workshop, Tabernacle, Mana Drain, Duals

   Modern staples like Tarmogoyf, Jace TMS, Fetchlands

   Foil cards and/or Judge Promos

   Prices don’t matter as long price payout is fair (good relation between value of price cards
in comparison to expected sum of starting fee)


If you are interested in playing online HL tournaments please check magicplayer.org/forum. A new season of our Highlander Online League (HLL) will be launched soon. Taiga (ex, wb) will be added to price pool.



Thanks for your participance!

Helpful suggestions are welcome!

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« Reply #125 on: 27-12-2014, 06:18:41 PM »

Name/Nick: Marcel / Doks


Highlander banned-list

•   Ancestral Recall
•   Balance
•   Birthing Pod
•   Black Lotus
•   Chaos Orb
•   Entomb
•   Falling Star
•   Fastbond
•   Flash
•   Gifts Ungiven
•   Grindstone
•   Imperial Seal
•   Library of Alexandria
•   Mana Crypt
•   Mana Vault
•   Mind Twist   
•   Mox Emerald
•   Mox Jet
•   Mox Pearl
•   Mox Ruby
•   Mox Sapphire
•   Natural Order
•   Shahrazad
•   Skullclamp
•   Sol Ring
•   Stoneforge Mystic
•   Strip Mine
•   Survival of the Fittest
•   Time Vault
•   Time Walk
•   Tinker
•   Umezawa's Jitte
•   Vampiric Tutor   
•   Amulet of Quoz
•   Bronze Tablet
•   Contract from Below
•   Darkpact
•   Demonic Attorney
•   Jeweled Bird
•   Rebirth
•   Tempest Efreet
•   Timmerian Fiends


How do you rate the banned-list on a scale from 1 to 10 (1=poor, 10=great)?

7

Which mulligan-rule do you prefer?

Free Mulligan


How do you rate the free mulligan on a scale from 1 to 10?

9


How often do you play Highlander (mp.org-rules)

once per month


How often have you played on a HL-GP / -Cup (including this one / no. 14)?

3 times


Which cards are missing on the banned-list and why? (max. the 5 most important ones)

no suggestions


Which cards should be deleted from the banned-list and why? (max. the 5 most important ones)

Stoneforge Mystic: Compared to the time when its combo with Batterskull entered the format, I do think that this now fits the powerlevel which is acceptable for our format. Both control and creature based strategies can profit from it and as long as Umezawa's Jitte stays banned, I believe it's still ok.

Entomb: In theory, this allows for some broken starts which might show up in a while. On the other hand, building your deck around a potential Turn 2 play that most likely will win you the game, prevents you from following a more reliable and consistent strategy, which might make the card 'fair' (there's surely some testing needed). On a sidenote: This makes black a much more attractive colour.


Which prices do you like to win on a HL-Cup like this?

Highlander staples from older sets like Workshop, Tabernacle, Mana Drain, Duals since these usually cost a lot more than the also needed newer staples.

Helpful suggestions are welcome!

I am pretty satisfied with how the current format works out, the council members are doing a nice job in my opinion.
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« Reply #126 on: 29-12-2014, 01:00:31 PM »



Name/Nick: Thibir/Tibor


Highlander banned-list


How do you rate the banned-list on a scale from 1 to 10 (1=poor, 10=great)?

8


Which mulligan-rule do you prefer?

   Spoils / Poker Mulligan




How do you rate the free mulligan on a scale from 1 to 10?

7


How often do you play Highlander (mp.org-rules)


   once per week

   
How often have you played on a HL-GP / -Cup (including this one / no. 14)?

once


Which cards are missing on the banned-list and why? (max. the 5 most important ones)

Demonic tutor - for the sake of consistency either ban Demonic or unban Vampiric. I don´t care which but I think that both should be treated equally.


Which cards should be deleted from the banned-list and why? (max. the 5 most important ones)

Vampiric tutor - for the sake of consistency either ban Demonic or unban Vampiric. I don´t care which but I think that both should be treated equally.

Entomb - this card can lead to some broken plays, but I think that reanimator is not currently a competitive deck so it needs some boost.

Gifts Ungiven - not 100% sure about unbanning I just would love to see this card played again.

Stoneforge Mystic - I didn´t agree with its ban in the first place. 2nd turn mystic into 3rd turn batterskull doesn´t seem that intimidating.

 
Which prices do you like to win on a HL-Cup like this?


   Prices don’t matter as long price payout is fair (good relation between value of price cards
in comparison to expected sum of starting fee)

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« Reply #127 on: 01-01-2015, 04:41:53 PM »

Name/Nick: carte_blanche

How do you rate the banned-list on a scale from 1 to 10 (1=poor, 10=great)?

7


Which mulligan-rule do you prefer? 

Free Mulligan


How do you rate the free mulligan on a scale from 1 to 10?

8


How often do you play Highlander (mp.org-rules)

once per month



How often have you played on a HL-GP / -Cup (including this one / no. 14)?

never



Which cards are missing on the banned-list and why? (max. the 5 most important ones)

Mystical Tutor – instant speed tutoring for merely one mana is the reason that makes the card overpowered in my opinion. The opponent just has not enough time to react – no time at all if played correctly.



Which cards should be deleted from the banned-list and why? (max. the 5 most important ones)

Gifts Ungiven – four mana tutor is not too critical imho.



Which prices do you like to win on a HL-Cup like this?


Highlander staples from older sets like Workshop, Tabernacle, Mana Drain, Duals
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Prices don’t matter as long price payout is fair (good relation between value of price cards in comparison to expected sum of starting fee)
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« Reply #128 on: 21-02-2015, 07:49:02 PM »

evaluation banned-list / free mulligan

2014
   
   Banned-List                  Free Mulligan               
   10      1      3,03%            6      18,18%   
   9      5      15,15%            9      27,27%   
   8      16      48,48%            8      24,24%   
   7      8      24,24%            8      24,24%   
   6            0,00%            1      3,03%   
   5      2      6,06%            1      3,03%   
   4            0,00%                  0,00%   
   3            0,00%                  0,00%   
   2            0,00%                  0,00%   
   1            0,00%                  0,00%   
   -      1      3,03%                  0,00%   
         33                  33         
                                 

Average Banned-List: 7,78
Average Mulligan: 8,24


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2013
   
   Banned-List                  Free Mulligan               
   10      3      5,56%            8      14,81%   
   9      14      25,93%            10      18,52%   
   8      19      35,19%            11      20,37%   
   7      12      22,22%            9      16,67%   
   6            0,00%            4      7,41%   
   5      2      3,70%            4      7,41%   
   4      2      3,70%            1      1,85%   
   3            0,00%            1      1,85%   
   2            0,00%            1      1,85%   
   1            0,00%            3      5,56%   
   -      2      3,70%            2      3,70%   
         54                  54         

Average Banned-List: 7,88
Average Mulligan: 7,19

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2012

                                    
   
   Banned-List                  Mulligan               
   10      4      9,30%            22      51,16%   
   9      17      39,53%            12      27,91%   
   8      14      32,56%            5      11,63%   
   7      5      11,63%                  0,00%   
   6      2      4,65%            2      4,65%   
   5            0,00%                  0,00%   
   4            0,00%                  0,00%   
   3            0,00%            1      2,33%   
   2            0,00%                  0,00%   
   1      1      2,33%            1      2,33%   
   -            0,00%                  0,00%   
         43      100,00%            43      100,00%   
                                 

Average Banned-List: 8,21
Average Mulligan: 8,93


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2010
                           
      
                                 
   Banned-List                  Mulligan               
   10      3      6,98%      10      28      65,12%   
   9      17      39,53%      9      1      2,33%   
   8      13      30,23%      8      5      11,63%   
   7      9      20,93%      7      1      2,33%   
   6            0,00%      6      3      6,98%   
   5            0,00%      5      3      6,98%   
   4      1      2,33%      4            0,00%   
   3            0,00%      3      1      2,33%   
   2            0,00%      2            0,00%   
   1            0,00%      1      1      2,33%   
   -            0,00%                     
         43      100,00%            43      100,00%   
                                 
Rating of Banned-Liste 8,23 (7,19 in 2008)
Ratng of Mulligan 8,67 (8,92 in 2008)
                     
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« Reply #129 on: 21-02-2015, 07:58:03 PM »

33 took part on the evaluation
Nominees for ban / unban   

   
   Ban:                  Unban:               
   Mystical Tutor      11      33,33%      Stoneforge Mystic      6      18,18%   
   Mana Drain      10      30,30%      Entomb      5      15,15%   
   Oath of Druids      9      27,27%      Natural Order      5      15,15%   
   Demonic Tutor      9      27,27%      Fastbond      5      15,15%   
   True-Name Nemesis      5      15,15%      Umezawa's Jitte      4      12,12%   
   Price of Progress      5      15,15%      Gifts Ungiven      2      6,06%   
   Sensei's Divining Top      4      12,12%      Vampiric Tutor      2      6,06%   
   Tolarian Academy      1      3,03%      Survival of the Fittest      2      6,06%   
   Mishra's Workshop      1      3,03%      Library of Alexandria      1      3,03%   
   Helm of Obedience      1      3,03%      Imperial Seal      1      3,03%   
   Blood Moon      1      3,03%      Birthing Pod      1      3,03%   
   Yawgmoth's Will      1      3,03%                     
   Worldly Tutor      1      3,03%                     
   Enlightened Tutor      1      3,03%                     
   Fetchlands      1      3,03%                     
   Tarmogoyf      1      3,03%                     
   Sword of the Meek      1      3,03%                     
   Tabernacle       1      3,03%                     
   
                                 

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2013

   Ban:                  Unban:               
   True-Name Nemesis      24      44,44%      Entomb      11      20,37%   
   Oath of Druids      17      31,48%      Mystical Tutor      9      16,67%   
   Mana Drain      13      24,07%      Gifts Ungiven      8      14,81%   
   Tolarian Academy      10      18,52%      Natural Order      7      12,96%   
   Demonic Tutor      9      16,67%      Stoneforge Mystic      5      9,26%   
   Sensei's Divining Top      9      16,67%      Library of Alexandria      5      9,26%   
   Mishra's Workshop      6      11,11%      Umezawa's Jitte      5      9,26%   
   Wasteland      3      5,56%      Vampiric Tutor      4      7,41%   
   Price of Progress      3      5,56%      Imperial Seal      2      3,70%   
   Life from the Loam      3      5,56%      Grindstone      2      3,70%   
   Dark Depths      2      3,70%      Fastbond      2      3,70%   
   Back to Basics      2      3,70%      Birthing Pod      2      3,70%   
   Blood Moon      2      3,70%      Mana Vault      2      3,70%   
   Worldly Tutor      1      1,85%      Mind Twist      1      1,85%   
   Yawgmoth's Will      1      1,85%      Survival of the Fittest      1      1,85%   
   Intuition      1      1,85%      Strip Mine      1      1,85%   
   Deathrite Shaman      1      1,85%      Falling Star      1      1,85%   
   Craterhoof Behemoth      1      1,85%      Sol Ring      1      1,85%   
   Enlightened Tutor      1      1,85%                     
   Fetchlands      1      1,85%                     
   Tarmogoyf      1      1,85%                     
   Sword of the Meek      1      1,85%                     
   Hermit Druid      1      1,85%                     
   Wheel of Fortune      1      1,85%                     
                                 
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2012

   
   Ban:                  Unban:               
   Birthing Pod      20      46,51%      Life from the Loam      11      25,58%   
   Stoneforge Mystic      13      30,23%      Yawgmoth's Will      9      20,93%   
   Sensei's Divining Top      7      16,28%      Gifts Ungiven      8      18,60%   
   Mana Drain      6      13,95%      Dread Return      8      18,60%   
   Batterskull      4      9,30%      Enlightened Tutor      8      18,60%   
   Mishra's Workshop      4      9,30%      Library of Alexandria      5      11,63%   
   Worldly Tutor      4      9,30%      Mystical Tutor      5      11,63%   
   Jace, the Mind Sculptor      3      6,98%      Lion's Eye Diamond      5      11,63%   
   Demonic Tutor      3      6,98%      Entomb      4      9,30%   
   Aether Vial      2      4,65%      Umezawa's Jitte      3      6,98%   
   Eladamri's Call      2      4,65%      Balance      2      4,65%   
   Intuition      2      4,65%      Sol Ring      1      2,33%   
   Moat      1      2,33%      Survival of the Fittest      1      2,33%   
   Crumbling Sanctuary      1      2,33%      Tinker      1      2,33%   
   Channel      1      2,33%      Strip Mine      1      2,33%   
   Wheel of Fortune      1      2,33%                     
   Wasteland      1      2,33%                     
   Fetchlands      1      2,33%                     
                                 



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2010
   

   Ban:                  Unban:               
   Natural Order      11      25,58%      Life from the Loam      11      25,58%   
   Mana Drain      7      16,28%      Trinisphere      9      20,93%   
   Demonic Tutor      6      13,95%      Buried Alive      8      18,60%   
   Mishra's Workshop      5      11,63%      Enlightened Tutor      7      16,28%   
   Oath of Druids      5      11,63%      Yawgmoth's Will      6      13,95%   
   Gifts Ungiven      4      9,30%      Mystical Tutor      5      11,63%   
   Aether Vial      3      6,98%      Entomb      5      11,63%   
   Sensei's Divining Top      3      6,98%      Umezawa's Jitte      4      9,30%   
   Progenitus      2      4,65%      Tolarian Academy      4      9,30%   
   Moat      2      4,65%      Library of Alexandria      4      9,30%   
   Worldly Tutor      2      4,65%      Imperial Seal      4      9,30%   
   Stoneforge Mystic      2      4,65%      Dread Return      3      6,98%   
   Intuition      2      4,65%      Wheel of Fortune      2      4,65%   
   Trygon Predator      1      2,33%      Survival of the Fittest      1      2,33%   
   Onslaught Cycle-Lands      1      2,33%      Strip Mine      1      2,33%   
   Worldgorger Dragon      1      2,33%      Skullclamp      1      2,33%   
   Channel      1      2,33%      Mind Twist      1      2,33%   
   Power Artifact      1      2,33%      All Moxes      1      2,33%   
   Thopter Foundry      1      2,33%                     
   Protean Hulk      1      2,33%                     
   Karakas      1      2,33%                     
   Price of Progress      1      2,33%                     
   Quasli Pridemage      1      2,33%                     
   Shahrazad      1      2,33%                     
   
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« Reply #130 on: 19-12-2015, 11:30:21 AM »

Once again I would like to make a small, non-representative evaluation to current Banned- / Watchlist at next Cup.
Feel free to take part and use the online form.


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Name/Nick:_________________________________________________________________


Highlander banned-list

  • Ancestral Recall
  • Balance
  • Birthing Pod
  • Black Lotus
  • Chaos Orb
  • Entomb
  • Falling Star
  • Flash
  • Gifts Ungiven
  • Grindstone
  • Imperial Seal
  • Library of Alexandria
  • Mana Crypt
  • Mana Vault
  • Mind Twist
  • Mox Emerald
  • Mox Jet
  • Mox Pearl
  • Mox Ruby
  • Mox Sapphire
  • Shahrazad
  • Skullclamp
  • Sol Ring
  • Stoneforge Mystic
  • Strip Mine
  • Survival of the Fittest
  • Time Vault
  • Time Walk
  • Tinker
  • Umezawa's Jitte
  • Vampiric Tutor


How do you rate the banned-list on a scale from 1 to 10 (1=poor, 10=great)?

__________


How do you rate the current Mulligan rule on a scale from 1 to 10 (1=poor, 10=great)? Why?

__________   Free-Mulligan with Vancouver option

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Where are you from?


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How often do you play Highlander (highlandermagic.info-rules)


___   several times weekly

___   once per week

___   once per month
  
___   only tournaments


How often have you played on a HL-GP / -Cup (including this one / no. 16)?

___________



Which cards are missing on the banned-list and why? (max. the 5 most important ones)

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Which cards should be deleted from the banned-list and why? (max. the 5 most important ones)

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Which prices do you like to win on a HL-Cup like this?


____ Strong and expensive Highlander cards like Workshop, Tabernacle, Mana Drain, Duals
____ Strong and expensive cards, which I can also use in the format ___________ like Snapcaster Mage, Tarmogoyf, Jace, Vryn's Prodigy, Fetchlands.
____ Vouchers for JK-Store
____ Prices don’t matter as long price payout is fair (good relation between value of price cards in comparison to expected sum of starting fee)


Thanks for your participance!

Helpful suggestions are welcome!

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« Reply #131 on: 04-01-2016, 03:54:22 PM »

I received 33 answers yet.
If you haven't taken part so far, feel free to post your ideas!
The results will be published soon.
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« Reply #132 on: 16-01-2016, 11:16:32 PM »

thanks to the 37 who took part on this small evaluation
here are the results:

average banned-list: 7,59 (results past years: 7,78 in 2014 / 7,88 in 2013)  
average mulligan: 8,56 (results past years: 8,24 in 2014 / 7,19 in 2013)
(1 = poor / 10 = great)

   
   Banned-List                  Current Mulligan               
   10      1      2,70%            11      29,73%   
   9      7      18,92%            12      32,43%   
   8      16      43,24%            9      24,32%   
   7      8      21,62%            2      5,41%   
   6      2      5,41%                  0,00%   
   5      1      2,70%                  0,00%   
   4      1      2,70%            1      2,70%   
   3      1      2,70%            1      2,70%   
   2            0,00%            1      2,70%   
   1            0,00%                  0,00%   
   -            0,00%                  0,00%   
         37                  37         
                                 


   
   Ban:                  Unban:               
   Natural Order      12      32,43%      Stoneforge Mystic      6      16,22%   
   Sensei's Divining Top      12      32,43%      Gifts Ungiven      6      16,22%   
   Mana Drain      10      27,03%      Entomb      3      8,11%   
   Demonic Tutor      9      24,32%      Library of Alexandria      3      8,11%   
   Mystical Tutor      7      18,92%      Umezawa's Jitte      2      5,41%   
   True-Name Nemesis      6      16,22%      Survival of the Fittest      2      5,41%   
   Dig Through Time      2      5,41%      Imperial Seal      2      5,41%   
   Price of Progress      2      5,41%      Birthing Pod      2      5,41%   
   Tolarian Academy      2      5,41%      Grindstone      1      2,70%   
   Yawgmoth's Will      2      5,41%      Balance      1      2,70%   
   Blood Moon      1      2,70%                  
   Fetchlands      1      2,70%                     
   Gaddock Teeg      1      2,70%                     
   Intuition      1      2,70%                     
   Mishra's Workshop      1      2,70%                     
   Tarmogoyf      1      2,70%                     
   Treasure Cruise      1      2,70%                     
   Wasteland      1      2,70%                     
   
               

some random facts:

* noone mentioned Oath of Druids as ban-candidate  Shocked Huh but Gaddock Teeg got one
* Sensei's Diving Top is on the top spot of ban candidates (together with Natural Order), mostly the time-factor was mentioned as main-reason. In fact there were many many draws in the last GP.
* Mana Drain and Demonic Tutor got exactly the same total numbers as a year before (probably same persons  Wink)
* Mana Drain stays on top spots as community choice for quite a while now (27% / 30% / 24% / 14% in the last 4 years)
* Entomb, Stoneforge Mystic and Gifts Ungiven are named most often as unban candidates in the last three years (I will vote for adding them to unban-watchlist next time - promised!  Smiley)
* Gaddock Teeg got its place as one-time-call in the history among Quasli Pridemage, Craterhoof Behemoth and others  Wink
* Workshop seems fine for you as it got only 2 nominees in the last 2 years (same person), same is true for Fetchlands and Tarmogoyf ?!  Tongue
* True-Name-Nemesis stays in the categorie 10-25%-nominee (blue ones) for a while now, maybe I should relaunch my fight against this card - at least I could have some "comrades-in-arms" (to be honest I already accustomed to that little bug Roll Eyes)


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2014   

   
   Ban:                  Unban:               
   Mystical Tutor      11      33,33%      Stoneforge Mystic      6      18,18%   
   Mana Drain      10      30,30%      Entomb      5      15,15%   
   Oath of Druids      9      27,27%      Natural Order      5      15,15%   
   Demonic Tutor      9      27,27%      Fastbond      5      15,15%   
   True-Name Nemesis      5      15,15%      Umezawa's Jitte      4      12,12%   
   Price of Progress      5      15,15%      Gifts Ungiven      2      6,06%   
   Sensei's Divining Top      4      12,12%      Vampiric Tutor      2      6,06%   
   Tolarian Academy      1      3,03%      Survival of the Fittest      2      6,06%   
   Mishra's Workshop      1      3,03%      Library of Alexandria      1      3,03%   
   Helm of Obedience      1      3,03%      Imperial Seal      1      3,03%   
   Blood Moon      1      3,03%      Birthing Pod      1      3,03%   
   Yawgmoth's Will      1      3,03%                     
   Worldly Tutor      1      3,03%                     
   Enlightened Tutor      1      3,03%                     
   Fetchlands      1      3,03%                     
   Tarmogoyf      1      3,03%                     
   Sword of the Meek      1      3,03%                     
   Tabernacle       1      3,03%                     
   
                                 

________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

2013

   Ban:                  Unban:               
   True-Name Nemesis      24      44,44%      Entomb      11      20,37%   
   Oath of Druids      17      31,48%      Mystical Tutor      9      16,67%   
   Mana Drain      13      24,07%      Gifts Ungiven      8      14,81%   
   Tolarian Academy      10      18,52%      Natural Order      7      12,96%   
   Demonic Tutor      9      16,67%      Stoneforge Mystic      5      9,26%   
   Sensei's Divining Top      9      16,67%      Library of Alexandria      5      9,26%   
   Mishra's Workshop      6      11,11%      Umezawa's Jitte      5      9,26%   
   Wasteland      3      5,56%      Vampiric Tutor      4      7,41%   
   Price of Progress      3      5,56%      Imperial Seal      2      3,70%   
   Life from the Loam      3      5,56%      Grindstone      2      3,70%   
   Dark Depths      2      3,70%      Fastbond      2      3,70%   
   Back to Basics      2      3,70%      Birthing Pod      2      3,70%   
   Blood Moon      2      3,70%      Mana Vault      2      3,70%   
   Worldly Tutor      1      1,85%      Mind Twist      1      1,85%   
   Yawgmoth's Will      1      1,85%      Survival of the Fittest      1      1,85%   
   Intuition      1      1,85%      Strip Mine      1      1,85%   
   Deathrite Shaman      1      1,85%      Falling Star      1      1,85%   
   Craterhoof Behemoth      1      1,85%      Sol Ring      1      1,85%   
   Enlightened Tutor      1      1,85%                     
   Fetchlands      1      1,85%                     
   Tarmogoyf      1      1,85%                     
   Sword of the Meek      1      1,85%                     
   Hermit Druid      1      1,85%                     
   Wheel of Fortune      1      1,85%                     
                                 
________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

2012

   
   Ban:                  Unban:               
   Birthing Pod      20      46,51%      Life from the Loam      11      25,58%   
   Stoneforge Mystic      13      30,23%      Yawgmoth's Will      9      20,93%   
   Sensei's Divining Top      7      16,28%      Gifts Ungiven      8      18,60%   
   Mana Drain      6      13,95%      Dread Return      8      18,60%   
   Batterskull      4      9,30%      Enlightened Tutor      8      18,60%   
   Mishra's Workshop      4      9,30%      Library of Alexandria      5      11,63%   
   Worldly Tutor      4      9,30%      Mystical Tutor      5      11,63%   
   Jace, the Mind Sculptor      3      6,98%      Lion's Eye Diamond      5      11,63%   
   Demonic Tutor      3      6,98%      Entomb      4      9,30%   
   Aether Vial      2      4,65%      Umezawa's Jitte      3      6,98%   
   Eladamri's Call      2      4,65%      Balance      2      4,65%   
   Intuition      2      4,65%      Sol Ring      1      2,33%   
   Moat      1      2,33%      Survival of the Fittest      1      2,33%   
   Crumbling Sanctuary      1      2,33%      Tinker      1      2,33%   
   Channel      1      2,33%      Strip Mine      1      2,33%   
   Wheel of Fortune      1      2,33%                     
   Wasteland      1      2,33%                     
   Fetchlands      1      2,33%                     
                                 



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   Ban:                  Unban:               
   Natural Order      11      25,58%      Life from the Loam      11      25,58%   
   Mana Drain      7      16,28%      Trinisphere      9      20,93%   
   Demonic Tutor      6      13,95%      Buried Alive      8      18,60%   
   Mishra's Workshop      5      11,63%      Enlightened Tutor      7      16,28%   
   Oath of Druids      5      11,63%      Yawgmoth's Will      6      13,95%   
   Gifts Ungiven      4      9,30%      Mystical Tutor      5      11,63%   
   Aether Vial      3      6,98%      Entomb      5      11,63%   
   Sensei's Divining Top      3      6,98%      Umezawa's Jitte      4      9,30%   
   Progenitus      2      4,65%      Tolarian Academy      4      9,30%   
   Moat      2      4,65%      Library of Alexandria      4      9,30%   
   Worldly Tutor      2      4,65%      Imperial Seal      4      9,30%   
   Stoneforge Mystic      2      4,65%      Dread Return      3      6,98%   
   Intuition      2      4,65%      Wheel of Fortune      2      4,65%   
   Trygon Predator      1      2,33%      Survival of the Fittest      1      2,33%   
   Onslaught Cycle-Lands      1      2,33%      Strip Mine      1      2,33%   
   Worldgorger Dragon      1      2,33%      Skullclamp      1      2,33%   
   Channel      1      2,33%      Mind Twist      1      2,33%   
   Power Artifact      1      2,33%      All Moxes      1      2,33%   
   Thopter Foundry      1      2,33%                     
   Protean Hulk      1      2,33%                     
   Karakas      1      2,33%                     
   Price of Progress      1      2,33%                     
   Quasli Pridemage      1      2,33%                     
   Shahrazad      1      2,33%                     
   
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« Reply #133 on: 02-03-2016, 01:14:38 AM »

Also at the MGM we hand out a survey. We like to thank all participants for their feedback and their helpful words! The results from this survey as well as the one from Maintal will definitely be considered in our next decisions and discussion, although we cannot promise to comply each wish.

Of course the survey is downloadable as well:

http://imgur.com/yyDNm6T


I orientated on Vazdrus structure for the analysis.

Average banned list:6,42 (result Maintal: 7,59)
Average mulligan: 8,40 (result Maintal: 8,56)
(1 = poor, 10 great)


Banned list                      Mulligan      
10   0      10   10   
9   2      9   4   
8   5      8   1   
7   5      7   2   
6   1      6   0   
5   2      5   1   
4   1      4   1   
3   3      3   0   
2   0      2   0   
1   0      1   1   
no voting   3      no voting   2   
   2222   



Ban            Unban         
Fastbond   9   40.91%      Stoneforge Mystic   10   45.45%   
Tolarian Academy   8   36.36%      Entomb   6   27.27%   
Demonic Tutor   5   22.73%      Gifts Ungiven   6   27.27%   
Mana Drain   4   18.18%      Imperial Seal   2   9.09%   
Oath of Druids   3   13.64%      Birthing Pod   1   4.55%   
Mystical Tutor   3   13.64%      Chaos Orb   1   4.55%   
Sensei's Divining Top   2   9.09%      Grindstone   1   4.55%   
Yawgmoth's will   2   9.09%      Umezawa's Jitte   1   4.55%   
Natural Order   2   9.09%      Library of Alexandria    1   4.55%   
Ban the Reserved List   1   4.55%      Mind Twist   1   4.55%   
Tainted Pact   1   4.55%      Vampiric Tutor   1   4.55%   
True-Name Nemesis   14.55%   


- 22 participants filled out the survey (MGM players and visitors)
- from 22 participants only 19 rated the Banned List and 20 rated the Mulligan
- Berlin and surrounding is clearly more unsatisfied with the current Banned List than the visitors at Maintal
- overall the Mulligan is described as very positive and fair
- Fastbond got the most votes and shows a big contrast to the results in Maintal (no votes)
- followed closely by Tolarian Academy (MGM: 8 vs Cup: 2) -> fast mana is seen much more problematic in Berlin and surrounding
- Sensei’s Divining Top in opposite to Maintal only got a few votes
- opinions on Stonefore Mystic were confirmed -> most stated unban candidate


Most stated reasons for single cards (ban):

Fastbond -> fast mana, no interaction
Tolarian Academy -> fast mana, no interaction
Demonic Tutor -> best card in the format
Mana Drain -> Counterspell + Ramp
Oath of Druids -> presence in nearly each Combo list, One-Card-Combo
Mystical Tutor -> finds relevant tutors, 1-Mana-Tutor
Sensei’s Divining Top -> time
Yawgmoth’s Will -> too strong, boring
Natural Order -> one sided
Tainted Pact -> Instant Demonic Tutor
True-Name Nemesis -> too strong


Most stated reason for the single cards (unban):

Stoneforge Mystic -> fair, weakest card on the Banned list
Entomb -> boost Combo and Control
Gifts Ungiven -> fair tutor
Imperial Seal -> fair/ “bad” tutor
Birthing Pod ->
Chaos Orb ->
Gindstone -> Combo with Painter's Servant too vulnerable
Umezawa’s Jitte -> only interesting for Aggro and Midrange
Library of Alexandria -> “only” a Non-Basic
Mind Twist -> too expensive
Vampiric Tutor -> fair tutor
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« Reply #134 on: 04-03-2016, 06:06:38 PM »

Regarding the tolarian academy/Fastbond votes, I have some questions. I'd really, really like to get some of the Berlin Players to answer me. I Don't mean any harm, I'm just curious, because the problem doesn't exist in Frankfurt.

Why are these cards such a nuisance to you? I read that you think they are not very interactive, but it seems to me (from an outsiders position I remind you) that you don't face them that often and decks using these cards are not dominant even in your area. Before you burn me alive, please here me out.

I personally would ban Treasure Cruise if I had the power to do so. I hate the card because it made it impossible for non blue decks to outvalue blue decks. Even if you maneuver your deck in a way that sees you making a lot of favorable trades, when your opponent suddenly goes sorcery speed ancestral recall you're almost always going to be facing an uphill battle again. What rubs me the wrong way is that every blue deck has to play that card. It is just too strong. In our testing for the GP it was a pretty safe bet that in a match of blue deck vs blue deck the dude with the resolved treasure cruise would win (just look at the metagame masters top8; 6 blue decks, 5 playing treasure cruise, the exception being the fastbond deck).

This detour brings me to the cards suggested for the ban: Fastbond and Academy. As far as I can tell (http://www.magicplayer.org/forum/index.php?topic=1182.0) 4 people played an artifact combo deck involving the two named cards at the metagme masters in Berlin.
They finished in places 5, 22, 35 and 39. That's not very dominant. I mean either the deck is not very consistent or it is so hard to play that it denies most pilots easy wins. If the cards had placed a high percentage of the people playing in the top 8 or even near it...ok, but this way, I don't even know if the 4 decks combine for a winning record. 4 Decks out of 45 is also not that much.

I played against the 5c Academy combo deck at the highlander GP (don't remember the guy's name anymore) and the games were ok. He comboed me out the first game, i was too fast the second one and in the third he won by casting armageddon (which was the only time I felt it wasn't fair). Apart from that, it wasn't any different than all the other combo decks. Combo decks are doing unfair things. That's their nature. This is why they are build.

So please be gentle with me and explain to me, why you want these cards banned so badly. Why are the academy/fastbond decks worse than other combo decks like scapeshift (2 out of 2 in top 8!!!) or TPS (9th, 11th played by 2 people) which had much better records at the metagame masters and are doing unfair things (fast mana) as well?
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