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« on: 17-07-2010, 10:48:52 PM »

i love to play with scapshift and since loam is banned now, i searched for a new way to get card advantage for my naya deck. before the banning of loam the deck was guwr. the blue was in to tutor for scapeshift and to get the loam engine going. now i play all 5 colors and scapeshift still works. black gave me the best tutor and some awesome removal. if you play sacepshift you obviously have to play a certain number of mountains (i figured out that 11 is the right number). this only hurts the mana base a little bit, because of the 8 duals you can play, that are also mountains. you also have to play many lands, so that 7 lands can get onto the battlefield. to protect me from getting flooded, i play some creatures which benefit from those lands and some mana-hungry cards.

here is the list i will play, if i get cobra, master and fauna shaman:

// Deck file for Magic Workstation (http://www.magicworkstation.com)

// Lands
    1 [GP] Steam Vents
    1 [ZEN] Swamp (3a)
    1 Bayou
    1 [ON] Wooded Foothills
    1 Tropical Island
    1 Scrubland
    2 [ZEN] Forest (3)
    3 [ZEN] Mountain (1)
    1 [TE] Wasteland
    1 [ZEN] Plains (1)
    1 [RAV] Sacred Foundry
    1 [WWK] Raging Ravine
    1 [ZEN] Verdant Catacombs
    1 [ZEN] Arid Mesa
    1 [ON] Windswept Heath
    1 [WWK] Stirring Wildwood
    1 [DIS] Blood Crypt
    1 [GP] Stomping Ground
    1 Taiga
    1 Badlands
    1 Volcanic Island
    1 [FUT] Grove of the Burnwillows
    1 [DK] Maze of Ith
    1 Tundra
    1 [UL] Treetop Village
    1 [RAV] Temple Garden
    1 [ZEN] Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle
    1 Plateau
    1 [ZEN] Island (1a)
    1 [ZEN] Scalding Tarn
    1 [ON] Flooded Strand
    1 Savannah

can't play more manlands, because of the needed mountain count and the speed. i play many utility lands, because i can tutor them up very easy and they never hurt me (7 lands are needed for scapeshift).

// Creatures
    1 [ZEN] Scute Mob                  floodprotection, good target for ranger
    1 [UL] Mother of Runes      
    1 [VI] River Boa              
    1 [CS] Jotun Grunt            
    1 [WWK] Dragonmaster Outcast            floodprotection, good target for ranger (this one can win games on its own)
    1 [SHM] Vexing Shusher             testing this
    1 [ALA] Woolly Thoctar
    1 [PS] Flametongue Kavu
    1 [ALA] Rhox War Monk
    1 [CFX] Noble Hierarch
    1 [ROE] Beastbreaker of Bala Ged             not sure here. 3 mana is much in the early game, but late he is good
    1 [TSP] Scryb Ranger               can untap a few creatures, fixes mana. have to see him with cobra once
    1 [DIS] Trygon Predator
    1 [ARB] Bloodbraid Elf
    1 [ARB] Qasali Pridemage
    1 [FD] Eternal Witness
    1 [WWK] Stoneforge Mystic
    1 [TO] Grim Lavamancer
    1 [ALA] Rafiq of the Many
    1 [M10] Birds of Paradise
    1 [CFX] Knight of the Reliquary
    1 [ALA] Sprouting Thrinax               still testing
    1 [ZEN] Kor Skyfisher  
    1 [SHM] Kitchen Finks
    1 [FUT] Tarmogoyf
    1 [ALA] Ranger of Eos
    1 [CHK] Kami of Ancient Law              is war priest of thune better? (reccuring nightmare)
    1 [CHK] Sakura-Tribe Elder
    1 [OD] Shadowmage Infiltrator            testing
    1 [ZEN] Lotus Cobra                needs no test
    1 [M11] Fauna Shaman               needs no test
    1 [LRW] Shriekmaw
    1 [M10] Master of the Wild Hunt          needs no test

// Spells
    1 [IN] Tribal Flames              
    1 [CHK] Sensei's Divining Top      
    1 [M10] Lightning Bolt
    1 [RAV] Putrefy
    1 [ALA] Relic of Progenitus              creatures just weren't enough
    1 [UL] Rancor
    1 [ROE] Naturalize
    1 [P3] Three Visits
    1 [MOR] Scapeshift
    1 [UL] Crop Rotation
    1 [ST] Nature's Lore
    1 [DS] Sword of Light and Shadow
    1 [ALA] Oblivion Ring
    1 [IA] Swords to Plowshares
    1 [ALA] Sarkhan Vol
    1 [ALA] Elspeth, Knight-Errant
    1 [EX] Recurring Nightmare
    1 [RAV] Lightning Helix
    1 [FD] Magma Jet
    1 [ALA] Ajani Vengeant
    1 [LRW] Garruk Wildspeaker
    1 [DS] Sword of Fire and Ice
    1 [CFX] Path to Exile
    1 [ZEN] Punishing Fire
    1 [RAV] Farseek
    1 [UL] Unearth
    1 [ROE] Gideon Jura
    1 [CHK] Gifts Ungiven
    1 Demonic Tutor
    1 [M11] Sword of Vengeance
    1 Regrowth
    1 [AP] Vindicate

any ideas? i wonder if the sarkhan the mad is good enough.
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« Reply #1 on: 19-07-2010, 08:02:07 PM »

I like your deck-concept. The mixture from ramp to midrange cards. This reminds me of my old 4C-Blood.

But there are a few questions:

Are the 3 Swords (SoLS,SoFI,SoV) not too much?

You play the Punishing Fire - Grove of the Burnwillows- Combo. How good can you support it? Is this the main plan for Gifts Ungiven?

Did Gifts Ungiven - Regrowth- Eternal Witness- Unearth(Recurring Nightmare) build a block for a combo? Or just for the right card.

You mentioned Sarkhan the Mad in your text, but in your deck you only play Sarkhan Vol.


My suggestion for this deck:

- Crop Rotation(too less good Targets(Maze,Wasteland))
- Naturalize    (not efficient enough)                               + Maelstrom Pulse
- Scryb Ranger  (so many purposes, but I miss efficiency)            + Borderland Ranger
- Vexing Shusher (controll-decks get rid of him very quick)          + Civic Wayfinder
- Kor Skyfisher (This creature is good, but this deck don't get much advantage)     + Sylvan Ranger
- Jotun Grunt (I have seen too many times that he survives only 1 or 2 turns)       + Sun Titan
- Relic of Progenitus (without Life there isn't the great need of grave hate and you play Recurring Nightmare by yourself)                                                            + Primeval Titan(Rampaging Baloth)

- Shadowmage Infiltrator (3 mana black and blue, doesn't fit in the GR/X build) + Mortify
- Gifts Ungiven ( + regrwoth parts) (I wouldn't play blue for 5 cards) + Doran
- Rafiq of the Many                                                    + Matca Rioters
- Trygon Predator                                                      + Putrid Leach
- Rhox War Monk                                                        + Reveilark
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« Reply #2 on: 20-07-2010, 12:30:13 AM »

thx for commenting, i will reply in a vew days (i am going on vacation right now).
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« Reply #3 on: 20-07-2010, 01:43:39 AM »

I also like your deck. I tried few games and it behawed mostly as agro trying to kill oponent with big creatures. Of course, there is scapeshift combo, but there are just 2 ways of getting scapeshift - either with demonic tutor or drawing into it(ok + intuition and Gifts). The deck must build around scapeshift to make it effecient, but I see winning throungh scapeshift more like coincidence. Do u think it is enought effecient to justify playing it?

In this build I would better see Natural Order.

As for cuts i agree with GoblinPiledriver mostly. But I would not get rid of blue entirely.
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« Reply #4 on: 20-07-2010, 07:15:21 PM »

Im a huge fan of Zoo decks and have a version of my own:

// Lands
    1 [ROE] Plains (1)
    1 [ROE] Mountain (1)
    1 [ROE] Forest (1)
    1 [CS] Snow-Covered Mountain
    1 [ON] Flooded Strand
    1 [ON] Polluted Delta
    1 [ON] Bloodstained Mire
    1 [ON] Wooded Foothills
    1 [ON] Windswept Heath
    1 [ZEN] Arid Mesa
    1 [ZEN] Misty Rainforest
    1 [ZEN] Marsh Flats
    1 [ZEN] Scalding Tarn
    1 [ZEN] Verdant Catacombs
    1 Savannah
    1 Bayou
    1 Plateau
    1 Taiga
    1 Scrubland
    1 Badlands
    1 [RAV] Overgrown Tomb
    1 [RAV] Sacred Foundry
    1 [RAV] Temple Garden
    1 [GP] Godless Shrine
    1 [GP] Stomping Ground
    1 [DIS] Blood Crypt
    1 [AN] City of Brass
    1 [PS] Rith's Grove
    1 [FUT] Horizon Canopy
    1 [WWK] Stirring Wildwood
    1 [LG] Karakas
    1 [OD] Barbarian Ring
    1 [ZEN] Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle
    1 [TE] Wasteland
    1 [AQ] Mishra's Factory (1)

// Creatures
    1 [ALA] Wild Nacatl
    1 [EX] Skyshroud Elite
    1 [ZEN] Steppe Lynx
    1 [WWK] Loam Lion
    1 [CHK] Isamaru, Hound of Konda
    1 [UL] Mother of Runes
    1 [M10] Elite Vanguard
    1 Savannah Lions
    1 [EVE] Figure of Destiny
    1 [AN] Kird Ape
    1 [ZEN] Goblin Guide
    1 [TO] Grim Lavamancer

    1 [CS] Jotun Grunt
    1 [CHK] Kami of Ancient Law
    1 [CS] Ronom Unicorn
    1 [RAV] Dark Confidant
    1 [ZEN] Plated Geopede
    1 [GP] Tin Street Hooligan
    1 [FUT] Tarmogoyf
    1 [RAV] Vinelasher Kudzu
    1 [M11] Fauna Shaman
    1 [ZEN] Lotus Cobra
    1 [RAV] Watchwolf
    1 [ARB] Qasali Pridemage
    1 [LRW] Gaddock Teeg
    1 [AP] Goblin Legionnaire
    1 [ARB] Putrid Leech

    1 [PLC] Stonecloaker
    1 [SHM] Kitchen Finks
    1 [CFX] Knight of the Reliquary
    1 [GP] Burning-Tree Shaman
    1 [LRW] Doran, the Siege Tower
    1 [ALA] Woolly Thoctar

    1 [ALA] Ranger of Eos
    1 [PS] Flametongue Kavu
    1 [ROE] Vengevine
    1 [ARB] Bloodbraid Elf

    1 [MOR] Reveillark

// Spells
    1 Swords to Plowshares
    1 [CFX] Path to Exile
    1 [OD] Firebolt
    1 [ZEN] Burst Lightning
    1 Lightning Bolt
    1 [LG] Chain Lightning
    1 [UL] Rancor
    1 [IN] Wax/Wane
    1 [DS] AEther Vial

    1 [ZEN] Journey to Nowhere
    1 [FD] Magma Jet
    1 [10E] Incinerate
    1 [PS] Eladamri's Call
    1 [RAV] Lightning Helix
    1 [ARB] Terminate

    1 [LRW] Oblivion Ring
    1 [OD] Call of the Herd
    1 [AP] Vindicate
    1 [ARB] Maelstrom Pulse
    1 [RAV] Putrefy
    1 [GP] Mortify
    1 [DS] Sword of Fire and Ice

    1 [MOR] Scapeshift
    1 [ALA] Elspeth, Knight-Errant
    1 [LRW] Garruk Wildspeaker
    1 [ALA] Ajani Vengeant
    1 [ALA] Sarkhan Vol

The deck started as an aggressive Naya Zoo but since black has much to offer (e.g. quality removal) I switched to 4ColorZoo. I like the inclusion of Scapeshift in Zoo decks which I have seen first in some versions of Extended Zoo decks last season.
Actually the best reason to play Scapeshift, which noone else mentioned so far, is to combine it with Steppe Lynx, Plated Geopede, Lotus Cobra and Vinelasher Kudzu. You play all fetch lands anyway, so there is no downside for adding Scapeshift+Valakut IMO. Main use is to get the most out of Landfall. The combo kill with Valakut to steal some games when the opponent is about to recover is just added bonus.

@Ball.Lightning: Don't forget to add Dryad Arbor if you want to play Natural Order!

Some other ideas about 5ColorZoo:
    - What do you guys think about some disruption/discard (Thoughtseize, Duress, Tidehollow Sculler, Gerrad's Verdict...)?
    - Where is Lightning Angel?
    - Are counters (Mana Leak, Remand, Memory Lapse, Delay,...) viable?

That's all from me for today.
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« Reply #5 on: 24-07-2010, 11:24:13 AM »

the 3 swords are fine

You play the Punishing Fire - Grove of the Burnwillows- Combo. How good can you support it? Is this the main plan for Gifts Ungiven?
-it is not the main plan, but i can easyly get the grooves into play. this little vombo is great against other creature decks and can kill some walkers from time 2 time

Did Gifts Ungiven - Regrowth- Eternal Witness- Unearth(Recurring Nightmare) build a block for a combo? Or just for the right card.
- it is not in for combo

You mentioned Sarkhan the Mad in your text, but in your deck you only play Sarkhan Vol.
- i don't know about sarkhan the mad. do you think he is good enough?

My suggestion for this deck:

- Crop Rotation(too less good Targets(Maze,Wasteland))
    -and groove + manlands+ manafixing. i won't cut this

- Naturalize    (not efficient enough)                               + Maelstrom Pulse         -this is agood suggestion, i could also consider playing a seal

- Scryb Ranger  (so many purposes, but I miss efficiency)            + Borderland Ranger       -borderlandranger is bad

- Vexing Shusher (controll-decks get rid of him very quick)          + Civic Wayfinder         -wayfinder is bad too, shusher got cut

- Kor Skyfisher (This creature is good, but this deck don't get much advantage)     + Sylvan Ranger           -sylvan ranger is fine. i will try to make room for him. i really like sykfisher: manafixing and reusing cip creatures is fine+ he starts hitting on turn 3.

- Jotun Grunt (I have seen too many times that he survives only 1 or 2 turns)       + Sun Titan    -if he survives 1 turn. he did his job (4 damage), 2 turns is even better. sun titan is too expensive

- Relic of Progenitus (without Life there isn't the great need of grave hate and you play Recurring Nightmare by yourself)                                                            + Primeval Titan(Rampaging Baloth)     - in my meta i always need grave hate. titan is too expensive

- Shadowmage Infiltrator (3 mana black and blue, doesn't fit in the GR/X build) + Mortify       - no room for mortify atm. won't cut blue
- Gifts Ungiven ( + regrwoth parts) (I wouldn't play blue for 5 cards) + Doran                  -won't cut blue
- Rafiq of the Many                                                    + Matca Rioters
- Trygon Predator                                                      + Putrid Leach
- Rhox War Monk                                                        + Reveilark
   
I also like your deck. I tried few games and it behawed mostly as agro trying to kill oponent with big creatures. Of course, there is scapeshift combo, but there are just 2 ways of getting scapeshift - either with demonic tutor or drawing into it(ok + intuition and Gifts). The deck must build around scapeshift to make it effecient, but I see winning throungh scapeshift more like coincidence. Do u think it is enought effecient to justify playing it?
-this is exactly how this deck is supposed to play out. scapeshift is just another wincondition. see it as a luck-out. sometimes i even keep it on my opening hand, cause it is really strong

In this build I would better see Natural Order.
-don' think natural order is good enough here. i have no progenitus and no huge monsters i want abolutley to hit play.

Im a huge fan of Zoo decks and have a version of my own:

// Lands
    1 [ROE] Plains (1)
    1 [ROE] Mountain (1)
    1 [ROE] Forest (1)
    1 [CS] Snow-Covered Mountain
    1 [ON] Flooded Strand
    1 [ON] Polluted Delta
    1 [ON] Bloodstained Mire
    1 [ON] Wooded Foothills
    1 [ON] Windswept Heath
    1 [ZEN] Arid Mesa
    1 [ZEN] Misty Rainforest
    1 [ZEN] Marsh Flats
    1 [ZEN] Scalding Tarn
    1 [ZEN] Verdant Catacombs
    1 Savannah
    1 Bayou
    1 Plateau
    1 Taiga
    1 Scrubland
    1 Badlands
    1 [RAV] Overgrown Tomb
    1 [RAV] Sacred Foundry
    1 [RAV] Temple Garden
    1 [GP] Godless Shrine
    1 [GP] Stomping Ground
    1 [DIS] Blood Crypt
    1 [AN] City of Brass
    1 [PS] Rith's Grove
    1 [FUT] Horizon Canopy
    1 [WWK] Stirring Wildwood
    1 [LG] Karakas
    1 [OD] Barbarian Ring
    1 [ZEN] Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle
    1 [TE] Wasteland
    1 [AQ] Mishra's Factory (1)

// Creatures
    1 [ALA] Wild Nacatl
    1 [EX] Skyshroud Elite
    1 [ZEN] Steppe Lynx
    1 [WWK] Loam Lion                 - in my version i cut all vanilla guys: i don't want to draw them late
    1 [CHK] Isamaru, Hound of Konda
    1 [UL] Mother of Runes
    1 [M10] Elite Vanguard
    1 Savannah Lions
    1 [EVE] Figure of Destiny
    1 [AN] Kird Ape
    1 [ZEN] Goblin Guide
    1 [TO] Grim Lavamancer

    1 [CS] Jotun Grunt
    1 [CHK] Kami of Ancient Law
    1 [CS] Ronom Unicorn
    1 [RAV] Dark Confidant
    1 [ZEN] Plated Geopede        -i tried the landfall-guys. too often, i was not able to trigger their abilitys. to play them because of secapeshift is not woth it
    1 [GP] Tin Street Hooligan
    1 [FUT] Tarmogoyf
    1 [RAV] Vinelasher Kudzu     -bad topdeck, even with scapeshift not good enough
    1 [M11] Fauna Shaman
    1 [ZEN] Lotus Cobra
    1 [RAV] Watchwolf
    1 [ARB] Qasali Pridemage
    1 [LRW] Gaddock Teeg         - play too many walkers and sometimes i could not play scapeshift
    1 [AP] Goblin Legionnaire
    1 [ARB] Putrid Leech

    1 [PLC] Stonecloaker
    1 [SHM] Kitchen Finks
    1 [CFX] Knight of the Reliquary
    1 [GP] Burning-Tree Shaman        - hurts me more than opp very often
    1 [LRW] Doran, the Siege Tower 
    1 [ALA] Woolly Thoctar

    1 [ALA] Ranger of Eos
    1 [PS] Flametongue Kavu
    1 [ROE] Vengevine                 -need to get one of these
    1 [ARB] Bloodbraid Elf

    1 [MOR] Reveillark

// Spells
    1 Swords to Plowshares
    1 [CFX] Path to Exile
    1 [OD] Firebolt
    1 [ZEN] Burst Lightning
    1 Lightning Bolt
    1 [LG] Chain Lightning
    1 [UL] Rancor
    1 [IN] Wax/Wane
    1 [DS] AEther Vial         - i am no fan of vial: bad topdeck

    1 [ZEN] Journey to Nowhere
    1 [FD] Magma Jet
    1 [10E] Incinerate
    1 [PS] Eladamri's Call
    1 [RAV] Lightning Helix
    1 [ARB] Terminate

    1 [LRW] Oblivion Ring
    1 [OD] Call of the Herd
    1 [AP] Vindicate
    1 [ARB] Maelstrom Pulse
    1 [RAV] Putrefy
    1 [GP] Mortify
    1 [DS] Sword of Fire and Ice

    1 [MOR] Scapeshift
    1 [ALA] Elspeth, Knight-Errant
    1 [LRW] Garruk Wildspeaker
    1 [ALA] Ajani Vengeant
    1 [ALA] Sarkhan Vol

The deck started as an aggressive Naya Zoo but since black has much to offer (e.g. quality removal) I switched to 4ColorZoo. I like the inclusion of Scapeshift in Zoo decks which I have seen first in some versions of Extended Zoo decks last season.
Actually the best reason to play Scapeshift, which noone else mentioned so far, is to combine it with Steppe Lynx, Plated Geopede, Lotus Cobra and Vinelasher Kudzu. You play all fetch lands anyway, so there is no downside for adding Scapeshift+Valakut IMO. Main use is to get the most out of Landfall. The combo kill with Valakut to steal some games when the opponent is about to recover is just added bonus. 
- i don't think so. these are only good, if you hit your land drop every turn. and if you cast scapeshift, you win the game anyway. so there is no need for suboptimal cards.


Some other ideas about 5ColorZoo:
    - What do you guys think about some disruption/discard (Thoughtseize, Duress, Tidehollow Sculler, Gerrad's Verdict...)?
-i think there is no room for those

    - Where is Lightning Angel?
- good idea, i should try him

    - Are counters (Mana Leak, Remand, Memory Lapse, Delay,...) viable?
-no


thx @all
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« Reply #6 on: 24-07-2010, 11:42:11 AM »

this is the current list:
// Deck file for Magic Workstation (http://www.magicworkstation.com)

// Lands
    1 [GP] Steam Vents
    1 [ZEN] Swamp (3a)
    1 Bayou
    1 [ON] Wooded Foothills
    1 Tropical Island
    1 Scrubland
    2 [ZEN] Forest (3)
    3 [ZEN] Mountain (1)
    1 [TE] Wasteland
    1 [ZEN] Plains (1)
    1 [RAV] Sacred Foundry
    1 [WWK] Raging Ravine
    1 [ZEN] Verdant Catacombs
    1 [ZEN] Arid Mesa
    1 [ON] Windswept Heath
    1 [WWK] Stirring Wildwood
    1 [DIS] Blood Crypt
    1 [GP] Stomping Ground
    1 Taiga
    1 Badlands
    1 Volcanic Island
    1 [FUT] Grove of the Burnwillows
    1 [DK] Maze of Ith
    1 Tundra
    1 [UL] Treetop Village
    1 [RAV] Temple Garden
    1 [ZEN] Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle
    1 Plateau
    1 [ZEN] Island (1a)
    1 [ZEN] Scalding Tarn
    1 [ON] Flooded Strand
    1 Savannah

// Creatures
    1 [ZEN] Scute Mob
    1 [UL] Mother of Runes
    1 [VI] River Boa
    1 [CS] Jotun Grunt
    1 [WWK] Dragonmaster Outcast
    1 [ALA] Woolly Thoctar
    1 [PS] Flametongue Kavu
    1 [ALA] Rhox War Monk
    1 [CFX] Noble Hierarch
    1 [TSP] Scryb Ranger
    1 [DIS] Trygon Predator
    1 [ARB] Bloodbraid Elf
    1 [ARB] Qasali Pridemage
    1 [FD] Eternal Witness
    1 [WWK] Stoneforge Mystic
    1 [TO] Grim Lavamancer
    1 [ALA] Rafiq of the Many
    1 [M10] Birds of Paradise
    1 [CFX] Knight of the Reliquary
    1 [ZEN] Kor Skyfisher
    1 [SHM] Kitchen Finks
    1 [FUT] Tarmogoyf
    1 [ALA] Ranger of Eos
    1 [CHK] Kami of Ancient Law
    1 [CHK] Sakura-Tribe Elder
    1 [OD] Shadowmage Infiltrator
    1 [ZEN] Lotus Cobra
    1 [LRW] Shriekmaw
    1 [M10] Master of the Wild Hunt
    1 [AN] Serendib Efreet
    1 [M11] Sylvan Ranger

// Spells
    1 [IN] Tribal Flames
    1 [CHK] Sensei's Divining Top
    1 [M10] Lightning Bolt
    1 [RAV] Putrefy
    1 [ALA] Relic of Progenitus
    1 [UL] Rancor
    1 [ROE] Naturalize
    1 [P3] Three Visits
    1 [MOR] Scapeshift
    1 [UL] Crop Rotation
    1 [ST] Nature's Lore
    1 [DS] Sword of Light and Shadow
    1 [ALA] Oblivion Ring
    1 [IA] Swords to Plowshares
    1 [ALA] Sarkhan Vol
    1 [ALA] Elspeth, Knight-Errant
    1 [EX] Recurring Nightmare
    1 [RAV] Lightning Helix
    1 [FD] Magma Jet
    1 [ALA] Ajani Vengeant
    1 [LRW] Garruk Wildspeaker
    1 [DS] Sword of Fire and Ice
    1 [CFX] Path to Exile
    1 [ZEN] Punishing Fire
    1 [RAV] Farseek
    1 [UL] Unearth
    1 [ROE] Gideon Jura
    1 [CHK] Gifts Ungiven
    1 Demonic Tutor
    1 [M11] Sword of Vengeance
    1 Regrowth
    1 [AP] Vindicate
    1 [M11] Cultivate
    1 [CHK] Kodama's Reach

now with more ramp/mana-fixing.
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« Reply #7 on: 30-07-2010, 05:32:08 PM »

Well,
In your current build you only play 31 creatures(as I counted right). This is really not much especially for all the 3 Swords(+Rancor) that you are playing. I think Borderland Ranger and Civic Wayfinder are both better than Kodama's Reach and Cultivate. You need more a 2/2 creature than a basic Land.

Where is the Fauna Shaman (and Dark Confidant(yeah maybe too risky)?

Do you really think Lightning Angel would fit here?
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« Reply #8 on: 06-08-2010, 02:14:00 PM »

both coulivate and kodamas reach are out. i added more creatures (stonecloaker is back and great sable stag is in). creature count is now 33 (32 spells, 35 lands). i also fixed the mana-base. i play only 10 mountains now and added a fetchland:

// Lands
    1 [GP] Steam Vents
    1 [ZEN] Swamp (3a)
    1 Bayou
    1 [ON] Wooded Foothills
    1 Tropical Island
    1 Scrubland
    1 [ZEN] Forest (3)
    2 [ZEN] Mountain (1)
    1 [TE] Wasteland
    1 [ZEN] Plains (1)
    1 [RAV] Sacred Foundry
    1 [WWK] Raging Ravine
    1 [ZEN] Verdant Catacombs
    1 [ON] Windswept Heath
    1 [WWK] Stirring Wildwood
    1 [DIS] Blood Crypt
    1 [GP] Stomping Ground
    1 Taiga
    1 Badlands
    1 Volcanic Island
    1 [FUT] Grove of the Burnwillows
    1 [DK] Maze of Ith
    1 Tundra
    1 [UL] Treetop Village
    1 [RAV] Temple Garden
    1 [ZEN] Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle
    1 Plateau
    1 [ZEN] Island (1a)
    1 [ON] Flooded Strand
    1 Savannah
    1 [ON] Polluted Delta
    1 [ZEN] Misty Rainforest
    1 [ZEN] Marsh Flats
    1 [SH] Volrath's Stronghold

// Creatures
    1 [ZEN] Scute Mob
    1 [UL] Mother of Runes
    1 [VI] River Boa
    1 [CS] Jotun Grunt
    1 [WWK] Dragonmaster Outcast
    1 [ALA] Woolly Thoctar
    1 [PS] Flametongue Kavu
    1 [ALA] Rhox War Monk
    1 [CFX] Noble Hierarch
    1 [TSP] Scryb Ranger
    1 [DIS] Trygon Predator
    1 [ARB] Bloodbraid Elf
    1 [ARB] Qasali Pridemage
    1 [FD] Eternal Witness
    1 [WWK] Stoneforge Mystic
    1 [TO] Grim Lavamancer
    1 [ALA] Rafiq of the Many
    1 [M10] Birds of Paradise
    1 [CFX] Knight of the Reliquary
    1 [ZEN] Kor Skyfisher
    1 [SHM] Kitchen Finks
    1 [FUT] Tarmogoyf
    1 [ALA] Ranger of Eos
    1 [CHK] Kami of Ancient Law
    1 [CHK] Sakura-Tribe Elder
    1 [OD] Shadowmage Infiltrator
    1 [ZEN] Lotus Cobra
    1 [LRW] Shriekmaw
    1 [M10] Master of the Wild Hunt
    1 [AN] Serendib Efreet
    1 [M11] Sylvan Ranger
    1 [PLC] Stonecloaker
    1 [M10] Great Sable Stag

// Spells
    1 [IN] Tribal Flames
    1 [CHK] Sensei's Divining Top
    1 [M10] Lightning Bolt
    1 [RAV] Putrefy
    1 [UL] Rancor
    1 [P3] Three Visits
    1 [MOR] Scapeshift
    1 [UL] Crop Rotation
    1 [ST] Nature's Lore
    1 [DS] Sword of Light and Shadow
    1 [ALA] Oblivion Ring
    1 [IA] Swords to Plowshares
    1 [ALA] Sarkhan Vol
    1 [ALA] Elspeth, Knight-Errant
    1 [EX] Recurring Nightmare
    1 [RAV] Lightning Helix
    1 [FD] Magma Jet
    1 [ALA] Ajani Vengeant
    1 [LRW] Garruk Wildspeaker
    1 [DS] Sword of Fire and Ice
    1 [CFX] Path to Exile
    1 [ZEN] Punishing Fire
    1 [RAV] Farseek
    1 [UL] Unearth
    1 [ROE] Gideon Jura
    1 [CHK] Gifts Ungiven
    1 Demonic Tutor
    1 [M11] Sword of Vengeance
    1 Regrowth
    1 [AP] Vindicate
    1 [GP] Mortify
    1 [PS] Eladamri's Call


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