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Bannings as of April 1st, 2009

Started by Vazdru, 25-03-2009, 10:46:46 PM

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Vazdru

Just imagine YOU could change the banned list. What would you do with following cards:



  • Library of Alexandria

  • Timetwister

  • Dust Bowl

  • Mindtwist

  • Hermit Druid

  • Wheel of Fortune

  • Back to Basics
Far below the earth
Where the demons hunt the souls of those that sleep
In the city of the Vazdru and the Drin
Where the black flame burns inside the palace fountain.

pyyhttu

Being despotic dictator, I'd ban Hermit Druid and unban Dread Return and leave the rest as is. And ofcourse not reasoning my decisions to anyone afterwards.

Where's Ancestral Recall from that list, it's still on the watch list, right?

Vazdru

AR is of course out of contention  ;)
Far below the earth
Where the demons hunt the souls of those that sleep
In the city of the Vazdru and the Drin
Where the black flame burns inside the palace fountain.

Mythrandir

LoA - unban (this is a control card, and control needs some good cards :P). The biggest problem is unbannind and then becoming too powerful and having to ban it again (because of the investment players would have to do)

Timetwister/wheel of fortune - These 2 may push a bit combo decks, would try and unban them and see what would they work out. Also they could act as refillers for aggro, which doesn't make me happy... (timetwister has the same problem as LoA, in terms of investment unbanning/banning again)

Mind twist - This is very hurtful if you have acess to lots of mana in the first turns, but if you have lots of mana on the first turns i think you have the right to do this. I'd unban.

Hermit - Probably would unban and ban dread return. Lot of ppl love this card, and it enables some decks, unless they started dominating, i see no reason to unban this one (keeping dread banned)

Dust bowl/back to basics - This may seem a bit bias ::) but i think there is enough (good) nonbasic hate available to most of the colors, so i'd keep basics unbanned but keep dust bowl banned. This is a recursive wasteland, that  would be available to every deck.

Nastaboi

Library: Stay unbanned, but could se it go as well. It's one of those cards that are really good only in your opening hand, making games more luck dependant.

Twister, Wheel, Mindtwist: Stay banned.

Dust Bowl: Unban. It breaks down control mirrors - guess what, there are dozens of other cards that do that too.

Hermit Druid: Ban this and unban Dread Return. Being players' pet card isn't enough to keep overpowered card unbanned and ban several underpowered cards as a cost.

B2B: Stay unbanned. Learn to play basics, people. Basic lands are good.

And I would ban Demonic and Gifts too, but everybody already knows that.
Quote0:13:51 [Nastaboi] Nastaboi plays Invincible Hymn from Hand
0:14:25 [Nastaboi] Nastaboi's life total is now 221 (+213)

so_not

I would keep Wheel and twister banned, Library and Back to basics unbanned. Then I would ban hermit Druid and unban Mind Twist and Dust Bowl.

I would also ban Gifts and unban Flash, Dread Reeturn, Trinisphere and Chain of Plasma

imppu

* Library of Alexandria
Ban. The card is insane. Haven't lost a single game when this one drops on the table. No matter what the matchup is.

* Timetwister
No comment.

* Dust Bowl
Ban. Just simply too powerfull against any control.

* Mindtwist
Simply too powerfull against any deck. Specially those underpowered controls.

* Hermit Druid
No one wants to play this without some sort of abuse. Few decks want to play Return as 4 mana animating spell. Enough to ban this and unban Dread Return.

* Wheel of Fortune
No comment.

* Back to Basics
Keep unbanned and take away from watch list. This is same as banning Engineered Plague as goblins lose against it.

Nastaboi

On a second thought, I think that Mind Twist could be unbanned. Its power level is as best equal to many cards presently allowed. (And ban Survival!)
Quote0:13:51 [Nastaboi] Nastaboi plays Invincible Hymn from Hand
0:14:25 [Nastaboi] Nastaboi's life total is now 221 (+213)

Kassow-Rossing

I would unban following cards:
1. Unban Ancestral Recall
2. Unban Mind Twist
3. Unban Vampiric Tutor (We have Demonic Tutor and Tainted Pact. No reason to keep this less-powered tutor banned (Less powered if you play no more than 1 of each basic lands))


I would ban following cards:
1. Ban Survival of the Fittest


I would not touch Library of Alexandria
I would not touch Oath of Druids


I would concider banning Life from the Loam
Patrick

Mythrandir

well, since ppl started talking about cards that weren't in Vazdru list, here goes:

Oath -> remains unbanned
survival -> remains unbanned

Vampiric tutor -> would love to play with this one!  ;D one of the most flavored cards.

LFTL - it's easily disrupted with grave hate

Vazdru

As expected the opinions differ widely. You see it isn't that easy for us to arrive at the right decision and impossible to find a way everyone will be satisfied with.

My point of view:

LoA -> Ban
Timetwister and/or Dust Bowl -> Unban
Mindtwist -> Unban
Hermit Druid -> delete from Watchlist
Wheel of Fortune -> Ban
Back to Basics -> delete from Watchlist

and yes ...of course
Ancestral Recall -> delete from Watchlist

Let's see what will happen next week. THE SKY'S THE LIMIT  ;)

 
Far below the earth
Where the demons hunt the souls of those that sleep
In the city of the Vazdru and the Drin
Where the black flame burns inside the palace fountain.

Sturmgott

This is what really happened, which is mostly congruent to Vazdru's opinion:

Unbanned:

    * Dust Bowl
    * Mind Twist
    * Timetwister

Removed from Watchlist:

    * Ancestral Recall
    * Back to Basics
    * Hermit Druid
    * Wheel of Fortune

Added to Watchlist

    * Mind Twist

Nastaboi

Unbanned:

    * Dust Bowl \ :D/
    * Mind Twist  :)
    * Timetwister  ???

Removed from Watchlist:

    * Ancestral Recall  :)
    * Back to Basics  :)
    * Hermit Druid  >:(
    * Wheel of Fortune  :)
Quote0:13:51 [Nastaboi] Nastaboi plays Invincible Hymn from Hand
0:14:25 [Nastaboi] Nastaboi's life total is now 221 (+213)

Mythrandir

Great! more nonbasic hate.. =/

so_not

But this time it is nonbasichate that your deck can actually play!  ;D