R/G Beatdown

[Vilhis]

I agree that Krosan Grip is card must to play. There are so much so troublesome artifacts that you need to destroy. Of course it is overcosted naturalize, but that's just something you have to live with it.

These are the changes I'm going to do:
- mogg fanatic
- ghitu encampment
- lava spike
- horned kavu

+ kitchen finks
+ noble hierarch
+ vexing shusher
+ misty rainforest

Ghitu Encampment has actually been pretty bad allways and I don't know why I still played it. Now it's gone

River Boa is good. It's slightly better than Mire Boa, 'couse blue is more popular colour. Thou I wouldn't play both.

I'v liked Lotus Petal allways(I have played this deck ~2 years) so it will stay in my list. And I don't even own Mox Diamond...

How can you say Smash to Smithereens is casual? It sees MD play in competitive Legacy burn decks. Destroying artifact is a good thing, and deeling damage at the same time is fantastic.

I would like to hear your feelings about which do you prefer: Demonfire or Banefire? Many times both of those cards feel pretty bad...

[Zephyr]

Demonre, Banefire: Here are both bad.

[GoblinPiledriver]

smash to smitherens casual?

What is meant here is not casual as a separation between tournament magic and kitchen table magic.
Casual here means it's wether good or bad. It's very good when an opponent has an artifact, and its very bad when your opponent doesn't have an artfiact

So it would be just better to play a simple Lava Spike.

[Vilhis]

Oh, thanks for the input. I just feel my meta has enough artifacts to support playing smash to smithereens.

[Fish]

From that point of view I agree. If you have enough artifacts around then it is probably a good idea to use Smash. When I think about artifact hate, I also take in mind the fact that I can draw the certain card when no artifact is around. In that case I would rather draw Tin Street Hooligan or Vithian Renegades. But those are mine personal preferences and maybe you see it other way.

[Fish]

I described the tournament in Report section and here is the newest decklist for sharing opinions:

RG BEATS by Fish:

32 lands:
6x Forest
10x Mountain
Arid Mesa
Bloodstained Mire
Verdant Catacombs
Misty Rainforest
Windswept Heath
Wooded Foothills
Horizon Canopy
Stomping Ground
Barbarian Ring
Fire-Lit Thicket
Treetop Village
Pendelhaven
Wasteland
Dust Bowl
Karplusan Forest
Taiga

46 creatures:
Twinblade Slasher
Grim Lavamancer
Basking Rootwalla
Tattermunge Maniac
Llanowar Elves
Noble Hierarch
Wild Nacatl
Fyndhorn Elves
Birds of Paradise
Kird Ape
Jungle Lion
Skyshroud Elite

Viridian Zealot
Hellspark Elemental
Lotus Cobra
Tarmogoyf
Wild Mongrel
River Boa
Dryad Sophisticate
Thornscape Familiar
Tin Street Hooligan
Radha, Heir to Keld
Rip-Clan Crasher
Gruul Guildmage
Scab-Clan Mauler

Burning-Tree Shaman
Hell’s Thunder
Vithian Renegades
Kitchen Finks
Troll Ascetic
Boggart Ram-Gang
Magus of the Moon
Great Sable Stag
Fulminator Mage
Goblin Ruinblaster
Countryside Crusher
Eternal Witness

Boartusk Liege
Ravenous Baboons
Avalanche Riders
Phantom Centaur
Giant Solifuge
Keldon Champion
Flametongue Kavu
Bloodbraid Elf

Arc Slogger

2 planeswalkers:
Garruk Wildspeaker
Sarkhan Vol

20 non-creature spells:
Firebolt
Tarfire
Chain Lightning
Lightning Bolt
Vines of Vastwood
Burst Lightning

Sudden Shock
Price of Progress
Magma Jet
Chain of Plasma
Winter Orb
Incinerate

Rhystic Lightning
Krosan Grip
Blood Moon
Char
Tangle Wire
Sulfuric Vortex
Rift Bolt
Molten Rain

[Vilhis]

WOW, that list seems extremely solid! I'll make some changes to my deck based on that. My last tournament went very poorly: 0-3 drop...(played against w/b aggro, battle of wits -combo and U/W control)

[Thibir]

I played on that tournament quite similar deck, as both of us just edited Kavu24´s/Goblinpiledriver´s decklist. however I took opposite direction as Fish did and I sacrificed almost all nonbasic land hate unless it was sufficient enough even if opponent didn't play any nonbasic lands. As I expected more aggro metagame I dropped much anticontrol cards and added some combat tricks. I´m not posting my whole list, just card choices which are different than in Fish´s list:

Lands (+1):
- forest
- mountain
- pendelhaven
- dust bowl

+ mishras factory
+ mutavault
+ city of brass
+ Rootbound Crag
+ Scalding Tarn

creatures:

1cc (+1)
- birds of paradise
+ scorched rusalka
+ mogg fanatic

2cc (-1)
- lotus cobra
- Thornscape Familiar
- Gruul Guildmage
+ Mire Boa
+ Keldon Marauders

3cc (-2)
- Hell’s Thunder
- Great Sable Stag
- Fulminator Mage
+ Fire Imp

4cc (-2)
- Boartusk Liege
- Ravenous Baboons
- Avalanche Riders
+ Blastoderm

5cc(-1)
- Arc slogger

planeswalkers (-1)
- Sharkan vol

other spells
1cc (+5)
+ berserk
+ brute force
+ rancor
+ cursed scroll
+ aether vial

2 cc(+1)
- Chain of Plasma
- Winter Orb
+ Fire Ambush
+ Volcanic Hammer
+ Colossal Might

3cc (-1)
- Rhystic Lightning
- Blood Moon
- Tangle Wire
- Sulfuric Vortex
- Molten Rain
+ Volcanic Fallout
+ Call of the Herd
+ Sword of Fire and Ice
+ Earthquake


Also I´d like to hear some comments about decklist

[Orech]

hi everybody, i need help with my decklist, have few problems about including and excluding crads. I would also like to ask if R/G is viable in highlander format. so here is my current decklist:

1cc:
Spikeshot Elder - havent tested him yet
Skyshroud elite
Kird Ape
Tattermunge maniac
Basking rootwalla - not sure about this one its pretty avarage
Arbor Elf
Wild nacatl i think its not that bad even that i do paly white
Wild Dogs - they are ok because of the cycling
Magus of the scroll - great late game and plain 1/1 early game
Fyndhorn Elves
Llanowar Elves
Birds of paradise
Jackal Pup
Mtenda Lion - sometimes it just simply sucks
Goblin Bushwhacer - i think he is pretty decent

2CC
Tin Street Hooligan
Rip Clan Crasher
River Boa
Gruul guildmage
Plated geopede
Scab Clan Mauler - not sure here
Dryad sophisticate
Hellspark Elemental - havent tested him yet
Viridian Emissary - havent tested him
Wild Mongrel - little ynergy with rootwalla
Vexing Susher - helps against blue

3cc
Spike Feeder
Burning Tree Shaman
Troll Ascetic
Countryside Crusher - not sure here either
Thornscape Battlemage - i like him
Goblin Ruinblaster - good one
Inner Flame acolyte - so far working for me
Boggart Ram-Gang

4CC
Ravenous baloth
Giant Solifuge
Phantom Centaur
Spellbreaker Behemonth - so far i think he is ok
Blastoderm
Obstinate Baloth
Keldon Champion
Brianhorn - really good trick
Wickerbough Elder
Flametongue Kavu

5cc
Arashi the Sky asunder - not sure here

1cc spells
Rancor
Burst Lightning
Shard Volley - sucks early game, i mulligan often this card
Lightning Bolt
Stagershock
Seal of Fire
Vines of Vastwood - solid trick
Pyrite Spellbomb

2cc
Colossal might
Incinerate
Arc Trail
lash Out - not sure here
Volcanic hammer

3cc
Fires of yavimaya - well i dont have an opinion here
Char
Flames of the Bloodhand
Call of the Herd
Arc Lightning
Rift Bolt
Molten Rain

6cc
Fireblast

cards i played previosyl are
mogg fanatic
Horned kavu
Goblin Patrol
Keldon Marauder
Kiln Fiend
Pouncing Jaguar
Yamabushis Flame
Fire/Ice
Acidic Slime

so what are your opinions, i really need advice, i still think this build is missing somethin. I plan to include Thrun and green zenith in few days. I am more of a casual player only participating on drafts and sealed decks be patient with me . Thx for help

[Noviomagus]

Hi,

think you are missing some of the top cards for your built:

- Goblin Guide
- Tarmogoyf
- Lotus Cobra
- Hells thunder
- Vengevine
- Bloodbraid elf  (!)
- Vithian Renegades
- Figure of Destiny

- Chain Lightning
- Sulfuric Vortex ( ! )
- Koth of the Hammer
- Garruk
- Sarkhan Vol
- Radha, heir to keld

cheers

[Orech]

yea i totally agree but some of those cards are hard to get for me. What would u cut for those cards? isnt G/W build better ?

[Noviomagus]

hm, lets see:

1cc:
Spikeshot Elder - havent tested him yet // too slow
Skyshroud elite
Kird Ape
Tattermunge maniac
Basking rootwalla - not sure about this one its pretty avarage // bad
Arbor Elf // I think you should play creatures that make fast and much damage ... I´d cut the mana elves
Wild nacatl i think its not that bad even that i do paly white // yes, good guy
Wild Dogs - they are ok because of the cycling / bad
Magus of the scroll - great late game and plain 1/1 early game / too slow
Fyndhorn Elves / see arbor elf
Llanowar Elves  / -
Birds of paradise /-
Jackal Pup / playabel
Mtenda Lion - sometimes it just simply sucks / crap
Goblin Bushwhacer - i think he is pretty decent

2CC
Tin Street Hooligan
Rip Clan Crasher
River Boa
Gruul guildmage
Plated geopede
Scab Clan Mauler - not sure here
Dryad sophisticate
Hellspark Elemental - havent tested him yet // on eof the best cratures in your built !
Viridian Emissary - havent tested him // me neither, but could be good
Wild Mongrel - little ynergy with rootwalla
Vexing Susher - helps against blue

3cc
Spike Feeder // not a real threat ... cut
Burning Tree Shaman
Troll Ascetic
Countryside Crusher - not sure here either // personally, i dont like him
Thornscape Battlemage - i like him / me not I d cut him ... too expensive
Goblin Ruinblaster - good one / yes !
Inner Flame acolyte - so far working for me
Boggart Ram-Gang

4CC
Ravenous baloth / mediocre
Giant Solifuge
Phantom Centaur
Spellbreaker Behemonth - so far i think he is ok / I´d cut it, better go for the new red hast lord ( forgot his name )
Blastoderm
Obstinate Baloth
Keldon Champion
Brianhorn - really good trick
Wickerbough Elder
Flametongue Kavu

5cc
Arashi the Sky asunder - not sure here / I d cut it

1cc spells
Rancor
Burst Lightning
Shard Volley - sucks early game, i mulligan often this card / yes, not too good
Lightning Bolt
Stagershock
Seal of Fire
Vines of Vastwood - solid trick
Pyrite Spellbomb

2cc
Colossal might
Incinerate
Arc Trail
lash Out - not sure here
Volcanic hammer

3cc
Fires of yavimaya - well i dont have an opinion here
Char
Flames of the Bloodhand
Call of the Herd
Arc Lightning
Rift Bolt
Molten Rain

6cc
Fireblast

cards i played previosyl are
mogg fanatic
Horned kavu
Goblin Patrol
Keldon Marauder // good one !
Kiln Fiend
Pouncing Jaguar
Yamabushis Flame
Fire/Ice
Acidic Slime

What about some Equipments and Tangle wire / winter orb ?

[Orech]

ok so i added bunch of new cards :

+ Green Suns Zenith
+ Sword of Body and Mind
+ Sword of Feast and Famine
+ Garruk Wildspeaker
+ Hero of Oxide Ridge
i am still working on geting new cards, but i would like to ask you for an opinion on these cards i am considering playing: - Ankh of Mishra
         - Winter Orb
         - Flame Javelin - i am not sure of it because of the manacost
         - Mimic Vat
         - Sudden Shock
         - Arashi, the Sky Asunder
         

[Maggot]

First of all R/G Beats is a good beatdown deck it´s capable of fast kills and has some lategame options.

Here are my recommendations what to cut and what to include:

Cut:
-Basking Rootwalla: not enough synergies with this little fellow, and the pump effect doesnt really create pressure because it´s preventing that you build early board position
-all the Mana Dorks except Birds they do at least fix red mana
-Mtenda Lions are anoter canidate Jungle Lions are better here
-Wild Dogs: cycling is great but this card just sucks
-Wild Mongrel: there is no synergy in the deck with him and your cards should be able to do more than one dmg per card and it´s not like you have a card drawing engine in the deck...
-Vexing Susher: it depends on youtr meta, but currently I believe it´s not necessary to play him
-Gruul Guildmage: a bear with two expensive abilities you should get more value out of tapping four mana
Spike Feeder - another creature that lost alot of his value due to the missing dmg on the stack
-Magus of the Scroll- play the artifact
-Molten Rain- Avalanche Riders or Pillage
-Shard Volley- there is better burn out there
-Seal of Fire- it´s a red source so it´s not bringing the same advantage as the spellbomb, not terribad but I prefer burnspells
Plated Geopede- I believe Kiln Fiend is better it´s not as predictable
Horned Kavu- most of the times it´ll be a one for two for your opp

Cards you could /should include as an addition to the ones already named:
Reckless Charge
Eternal Witness
Goblin Guide
Winter Orb
Ankh of Mishra
Krosan Grip
Wickerbough Elder
Grim Lavamancer

Regards
Maggot

[Orech]

so i am back here with my fixed list

the only card i am basically missing is Tarmogoyf but hopefully i ll get him soon. Last weekend i  attended our local tournament. There were 13 people i ended up 6th place with 2-2 record. I have beaten Boros and Goblins and lost to U/W Skies and Lark Combo. i think my deck can do better but i need some help in finding the right card choices. So here is my list, if it is possible say what u would cut and for which replacement thx.

1cc
Jackal Pup
Grim
Mogg Fanatic
tattermunge maniac
kird ape
wild nacatl
jungle lion
goblin guide
lightning bolt
firebolt
llanowar elves
burst lightning
chain lightning
rancor
skyshroud elite
figure of destiny
fyndhorn elves
mtenda lion
birds of paradise
seal of fire
cursed scroll

2cc
Fauna Shaman
Dryad Sophisticate
Radha
Tin street hooligan
Scab clan Mauler
KEldon marauders
Arc trail
price of progress
Searing Blaze
volcanic hammer
magma jet
incinerate

3cc
Ram gang
Great sable stag
troll ascetic
Burning tree shaman
Hells thunder
Kitchen finks
vithian renegades
Magus of the moon
Fulminator mage
eternal witness
fire imp
sword of feast a f
sword of wap
char
flame javelin
molten rain
rift bolt
call of the herd
staggershock
green suns zenith
arc lightning
sulfuric vortex

4cc
hero of oxide ridge
thrun
garruk
wickerbough elder
blastoderm
ftk
obstinate baloth
bb elf
vengevine
koth