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Started by silex, 05-02-2009, 08:53:11 PM

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silex

Land (35)
4 Plains   
2 Forest   
4 Swamp
Godless Shrine   
Volrath's Stronghold   
Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
Wooded Bastion   
Twilight Mire
Fetid Heath   
Grasslands   
Elfhame Palace   
Windswept Heath   
Karakas
Savannah     
City of Brass
Flooded Strand
Wooded Foothills
Vivid Grove       
Vivid Marsh     
Vivid Meadow       
Tendo Ice Bridge     
Gemstone Mine 
Terramorphic Expanse       
Wasteland   
Temple Garden   
Treetop Village     
Mishra's Factory
Flagstones of Trokair   

Creatures (31)
Mother of Runes
Birds of Paradise

Watchwolf     
Serra Avenger
Knight of the Holy Nimbus
Knight of Meadowgrain     
Soltari Priest     
Jotun Grunt
Kami of Ancient Law     
Saffi Eriksdotter   
Thornweald Archer   
Tidehollow Sculler   
Sakura-Tribe Elder

Eternal Witness
Wilt-Leaf Cavaliers   
Kitchen Finks
Stonecloaker   
Soltari Champion   
Call of the Herd   
Troll Ascetic   
Ohran Viper   
Dusk Urchin   
Doran, the Siege Tower   
Knight of the Reliquary   

Calciderm     
Wilt-Leaf Liege   
Loxodon Hierarch   
Phantom Centaur
Creakwood Liege   

Shriekmaw     

Exalted Angel 

Pump (6)
Rancor   

Armadillo Cloak
Sword of Light and Shadow
Sword of Fire and Ice   
Grafted Wargear   
Loxodon Warhammer
 
Other Utility (28)
Mirri's Guile
Swords to Plowshares
Path to Exile       
Steelshaper's Gift   
Aether Vial
Crop Rotation   
Sensei's Divining Top
Duress
Thoughtsieze
Orim's Chant

Winter Orb 
Demonic Tutor
Gerard's Verdict   
Castigate   
Diabolic Edict
Bitterblossom   
Profane Command
Sylvan Library
Night's Whisper

Oblivion Ring
Vindicate   
Mortify   
Putrefy   
Phyrexian Arena   

Parallax Wave
Armageddon
Cataclysm
Harmonize





Kind of a Highlander version of The Rock.  I've play tested the deck a bit and so far it hasn't been absolutely terrible, so that's a good sign.  This is for a tourney at the local card shop.  I'm pretty sure no one there has ever played the Highlander variant, let alone competitively, so no clue on meta.  Everyone is walking in completely blind, which should be fun.

Mirri's Guile, Sylvan Library, and SDT probably seem out of place, but I've tried to get as many shuffle effects into the deck as possible.  Each shuffle effect gets you your choice of 3 new cards every time, which has helped me out a lot during testing.

Any cards I'm missing?  Any cards you think should be dropped?  Too many non-basic lands?  I'd of course like to get Tarmogoyf and the missing duals in, but $$$ issues.  Thanks for any advice.

Mythrandir

Hey, it looks solid enough. here's a quick review, hope it helps.

Lands:

Too many nonbasic yes, you cn cut elfhame palace, and the vivid lands.

Add cycle lands + LFTL
+ mutavault

Creatures:

- watchowlf (unles you´re playing more "aggro"
- knight of the meadowgrain/holy nibus (i think you shouldn´t play WW, these look a bit more for a weenie, aggro)
- thornweald archer
- soltari chamnpion

+ eternal dragon
+ wall of blossoms / roots
+ kokusho
+ soltari monk
+ figure of destiny
+ solemn simulacrum
+ reveilark makes a nice combo if you play loads of 2 CMC

not creatures, but you should definitely play PW, garruk is a bomb, ajani and liliana ain´t as good, but quite decent too.


Spells:
- armadillo cloak
- steelshaper (enlightened tutor is better)

+ vindicate
+ tithe
+ LFTL (very good)
+ recurring nightmare
+ survival of the fittest?
+ vindicate
+ tangle wire?
+ add some grave removal (shred memory, phyrexiam furnace, withered wretch...)


it seems decent enough for a first build


silex

Thanks for the advice.

LFTL is a very good suggestion, not sure how I missed that.  It seems especially good with the SDT-like effects.  When you've picked out all the good stuff and you're stuck looking at crap in the top 3, just dredge them away.

Agreed on the Enlightened Tutor.  The option to find Bitterblossom, Arena, or Oblivion Ring is probably worth the card going on top of the library instead of into the hand.

I was hesitant to add Withered Wretch due to the BB cost, but if a couple of those WW creature go away, it's not any worse.

What do you think about cutting Parallax Wave in favor of Faith's Fetters?

Vazdru

#3
It's an older deck-list of mine but maybe there are nevertheless some helpful suggestions.

Now I would definately add Bitterblossom, Thoughtseize + Survival.


// Lands
    1 [R] Bayou
    1 [ON] Bloodstained Mire
    1 [7E] City of Brass
    1 [ON] Flooded Strand
    7 [B ] Forest (2)
    1 [US] Gaea's Cradle
    1 [TSB] Gemstone Mine
    1 [GP] Godless Shrine
    1 [FUT] Horizon Canopy
    1 [LG] Karakas
    1 [RAV] Overgrown Tomb
    4 [B ] Plains (2)
    1 [ON] Polluted Delta
    1 [MM] Rishadan Port
    1 [A] Savannah
    1 [A] Scrubland
    5 [B ] Swamp (2)
    1 [RAV] Temple Garden
    1 [UL] Treetop Village
    1 [SH] Volrath's Stronghold
    1 [TE] Wasteland
    1 [ON] Windswept Heath
    1 [ON] Wooded Foothills

// Creatures
    1 [UD] Academy Rector
    1 [JU] Anurid Brushhopper
    1 [FUT] Aven Mindcensor
    1 [B ] Birds of Paradise
    1 [NE] Blastoderm
    1 [RAV] Dark Confidant
    1 [LRW] Doran, the Siege Tower
    1 [DK] Elves of Deep Shadow
    1 [FD] Eternal Witness
    1 [ON] Exalted Angel
    1 [US] Flesh Reaver
    1 [IA] Fyndhorn Elves
    1 [ON] Grinning Demon
    1 [TSP] Harmonic Sliver
    1 [BOK] Ink-Eyes, Servant of Oni
    1 [CHK] Isamaru, Hound of Konda
    1 [CS] Jotun Grunt
    1 [PT] Jungle Lion
    1 [AN] Juzam Djinn
    1 [CHK] Kokusho, the Evening Star
    1 [B ] Llanowar Elves
    1 [RAV] Loxodon Hierarch
    1 [UL] Mother of Runes
    1 [CHK] Nezumi Graverobber--Nighteyes the Desecrator
    1 [TSP] Plague Sliver
    1 [ON] Ravenous Baloth
    1 [OD] Rotting Giant
    1 [CHK] Sakura-Tribe Elder
    1 [B ] Savannah Lions
    1 [RAV] Selesnya Guildmage
    1 [LRW] Shriekmaw
    1 [EX] Skyshroud Elite
    1 [PLC] Stonecloaker
    1 [FUT] Tarmogoyf
    1 [MR] Troll Ascetic
    1 [IN] Utopia Tree
    1 [MI] Wall of Roots
    1 [RAV] Watchwolf

// Spells
    1 [IN] Armadillo Cloak
    1 [4E] Armageddon
    1 [IN] Aura Shards
    1 [B ] Berserk
    1 [WL] Briar Shield
    1 [B ] Demonic Tutor
    1 [US] Duress
    1 [JU] Elephant Guide
    1 [B ] Giant Growth
    1 [US] Greater Good
    1 [TSP] Griffin Guide
    1 [MM] Land Grant
    1 [TSP] Might of Old Krosa
    1 [GP] Mortify
    1 [RAV] Putrefy
    1 [UL] Rancor
    1 [P3] Ravages of War
    1 [NE] Seal of Strength
    1 [CHK] Sensei's Divining Top
    1 [TSP] Stonewood Invocation
    1 [DS] Sword of Fire and Ice
    1 [A] Swords to Plowshares
    1 [AP] Vindicate
    1 [4E] Winter Orb

    1 [LRW] Garruk Wildspeaker
    1 [LRW] Liliana Vess

Far below the earth
Where the demons hunt the souls of those that sleep
In the city of the Vazdru and the Drin
Where the black flame burns inside the palace fountain.

Mythrandir

QuoteThanks for the advice.

No prob

QuoteLFTL is a very good suggestion, not sure how I missed that.  It seems especially good with the SDT-like effects.  When you've picked out all the good stuff and you're stuck looking at crap in the top 3, just dredge them away.

And also is quite a good draw engine when u have cycle lands in grave, and also feeding you the tech lands (karakas, volrath , etc) to your gave is nice too. An auto-include

QuoteAgreed on the Enlightened Tutor.  The option to find Bitterblossom, Arena, or Oblivion Ring is probably worth the card going on top of the library instead of into the hand.

Yeap, even though you "lose" the draw, enlightened has a lot more potential. Also an auto-include ;)

QuoteI was hesitant to add Withered Wretch due to the BB cost, but if a couple of those WW creature go away, it's not any worse.

You can add phyrexian furnace/scrabbling claws instead of the wretch. But you DO need some grave hate.

QuoteWhat do you think about cutting Parallax Wave in favor of Faith's Fetters?

Parallax is quite strong, but so is fetters, i think they are a bit conditional. if you´re expecting lots of Zoo, RDW, and other aggro i would prefer fetter for the life gain. But they are both good.

Also take a good look at vazdru list, he´s quite a good deck builder. ;)

ohh, also i missed one card: pernicious deed.

Zephyr

#5
IMHO, Krosan Tusker is missing. It is just common card, but it stabilize your manabase and draw a card, and in late game you can play it like 6/5 killer. I think, he´s good in any mid-game deck with gree.n

silex

#6
Vazdru, how did Dark Confidant work out in that deck? 

It seems like there are so many 3+ CC cards in both that deck and my deck.  Not sure if I'm comfortable running him, but both decks seem to run lots of lifegain to counteract it.

silex

Just wanted to pop in and say thanks again for the advice.  Went unbeaten on the day.  The final decklist was:


Land (36)
4 Plains   
4 Forest   
4 Swamp
Godless Shrine   
Wooded Foothills
Volrath's Stronghold   
Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
Wooded Bastion   
Twilight Mire
Elfhame Palace   
Windswept Heath   
Karakas
Savannah     
City of Brass
Gemstone Mine 
Terramorphic Expanse       
Wasteland   
Temple Garden     
Treetop Village     
Mishra's Factory
Flagstones of Trokair   
Barren Moor
Polluted Mire
Drifting Meadow
Secluded Steppe
Slippery Karst
Tranquil Thicket

Creatures (30)
Mother of Runes
Birds of Paradise

Watchwolf   
Serra Avenger
Soltari Priest     
Jotun Grunt
Kami of Ancient Law   
Saffi Eriksdotter   
Dark Confidant   
Sakura-Tribe Elder
Wall of Blossoms
Withered Wretch

Eternal Witness
Wilt-Leaf Cavaliers   
Kitchen Finks
Stonecloaker     
Call of the Herd   
Troll Ascetic   
Ohran Viper   
Dusk Urchins   
Doran, the Siege Tower   
Knight of the Reliquary   

Calciderm   
Wilt-Leaf Liege   
Loxodon Hierarch   
Phantom Centaur
Creakwood Liege   

Genesis
Shriekmaw   

Exalted Angel

Pump (6)
Rancor   

Armadillo Cloak
Sword of Light and Shadow
Sword of Fire and Ice   
Grafted Wargear   
Loxodon Warhammer
 
Random Utility (28)
Swords to Plowshares
Path to Exile     
Enlightened Tutor 
Aether Vial
Crop Rotation   
Sensei's Divining Top
Duress
Orim's Chant
Mirri's Guile

Winter Orb 
Demonic Tutor
Gerard's Verdict   
Castigate   
Diabolic Edict
Bitterblossom   
Profane Command
Life from the Loam
Sylvan Library
Survival of the Fittest

Oblivion Ring
Vindicate   
Mortify   
Putrefy   
Phyrexian Arena
Pernicous Deed   

Faith's Fetters
Armageddon
Harmonize 





Some notes on the cards:

Exalted Angel was probably the MVP of the day, but Bitterblossom was a close second.  Both Lieges get an honorary mention.  All of the equipment proved fantastic, especially the stuff that gave lifelink.  I got Dark Confidant + Top/Mirri's Guile online a few times which was just nasty.  The discard didn't prove to be that essential, but I didn't really run up against any combo on the day either - it was mostly aggro opponents with a few control.

Nearly everytime I got Survival to stick, I dug up the Genesis/Shriekmaw combo which was always a beating.  One game I was able to get Knight of the Reliquary, Armageddon, and Life from the Loam online.  Great cards together.

I think I'm going to drop from 6 cycle lands down to 3 for future versions.  The CIPT noticably slowed me down a few times and the cycling was rarely relevent.