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Author Topic: Highlander Cup XV 28.06.2015 [Maintal]    (Read 17719 times)
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« Reply #15 on: 06-07-2015, 08:41:46 AM »

There is a bant Midrange Deck missing in the TOP 8. UW(b) had no TOP 8 Apperiance.
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« Reply #16 on: 06-07-2015, 01:17:43 PM »

There is a bant Midrange Deck missing in the TOP 8. UW(b) had no TOP 8 Apperiance.

thx - entered in wrong line (UW(b)) -> Bant
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« Reply #17 on: 06-07-2015, 01:30:20 PM »

@Gerry: What is the difference between Esper Control and UW(b)-Control in your data? UW(b) means classic UW + Demonic and maybe Mystical Teachings while Esper means more black cards?
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« Reply #18 on: 06-07-2015, 01:33:11 PM »

@Gerry: What is the difference between Esper Control and UW(b)-Control in your data? UW(b) means classic UW + Demonic and maybe Mystical Teachings while Esper means more black cards?

right - sometimes the pilot himself determines the archetype
e. g. last years winner is Esper although for me it looks like UW(b)
http://www.mtgpulse.com/event/18746#263935

the difference is sometimes marginal

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maybe anyone can identify the differences (Prüfschema / Review theme) - then i would update Cup XIV and XV
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« Reply #19 on: 06-07-2015, 02:37:20 PM »

I would avoid double indications. For me it is a bit confusing. If a deck has a top 8 appearance I would not classify it in top 8 AND in top 16. In this case you can read for example 4C Blood had 2 Top 8 plus anpther 3 Top 16 appearances.

For the 4C Blood example I would indicate:

12 Decks - 2 Top8 - 1 Top 16

the same for the rest.
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« Reply #20 on: 06-07-2015, 09:33:15 PM »

@ Promole

thx for the feedback
Sir Galahad also pointed out that my scheme is misleading
I'm not sure how to solve this
for me is logical that eg Winner is either Top 8 and Top 16 and Top 8 automatically Top 16
if someone checks column Top 16 and only finds 8 decks could be weird too

anyone a good solution ?  Wink
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« Reply #21 on: 06-07-2015, 10:03:38 PM »

better?  Smiley

                                                                                 
   
         GP XV      GP XV      GP XV         GP XIV      GP XIV      GP XIV      GP XIII      GP XIII      GP XIII      GP XIII      GP XII      GP XII   
   ARCHETYPE      Appearance      TOP 8      TOP 9-16         Appearance      TOP 8      TOP 9-16      Appearance      TOP 8      TOP 9-16      Appearance      TOP 8      TOP 9-16   
   4C-BloodAggro      12      2      1         18      2      3      20      3            6      1      1   
   UWR / Jeskai      9      1      1         10      1      2      2                  4            1   
   Esper-Control / -Midrange      7      1      1         3      1      1      9                  3            1   
   ComboControl (XV: 2xHigh Tide / Combo-Oath / Eggs / Buried-Alive / Storm)      6            1         2      1            2                  4            1   
   Bant-Midrange      5      1               4                  3                  9            1   
   UW(b)-Control      5                     8      1      1      8            2      3      1         
   RDW      4            1         6                  10            1      5               
   RG-Beatz / RG-Landdestruction      3      1               3                  2                  1               
   Naya      3                     4                  9      1      1      6               
   Artifacts      3                     2                  5                  1               
   Jund      3                     2                  3      1            3            1   
   Izzet      2      1               8      1            10      2      1      5      1         
   Reanimator      2      1               6      1            1      1            1            1   
   BUG-Aggro / -Midrange      2            1         3                  2                  1               
   WG-Maverick      2            1         1                  3                                 
   Other / Missing      2                                       2                  2               
   Dark-Bant / Goodstuff (no red)      1            1         4                  9            1      11      1         
   WW      1                     4            1      2            1      1               
   Abzan & Friends      1                     3                  7                                 
   Grixis-Control / -Midrange      1                     2                  2                                 
   Oath      1                     2                  1                  4      1         
   4C Goodstuff (no black)      1                     2                                                   
   Scapeshift      1                     1                  1                                 
   4C- / 5C-Control      1                                       2                  4               
   Pattern Rector      1                                       2                  3               
   5C-Aggro      1                                                         8      1         
   Ramp      1                                                                        
   Grixis-Aggro      1                                                                        
   RUG(b)                           3                  1            1      1               
   UG-AggroControl                           2                  4                                 
   MBC                           1                  3                  1               
   Infect                           1                                                   
   Mono-Green                           1                                                   
   4C-Goodstuff (no green)                           1                                                   
   Mono-Blue-Control                                             2                  1               
   Boros                                             1                  5               
   Goblins                                             1                  1            1   
   YingYang (OrzhovAggro)                                             1                  1               
   WBR-Control                                             1                                 
   Elves                                                               2      1         
   Bant-Aggro                                                               2      1         
   Hermit-Combo                                                               2               
   Total      82      8      8         107      8      8      131      8      8      101      8      8   
                                                                              
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« Reply #22 on: 06-07-2015, 10:19:46 PM »

analysis?
if you keep other facts c. p. (pilot, deck construction, luck etc.) you get:

* 4C Blood and Izzet both have at least one copy in Top 8 GP XII to GP XV
* Izzet had 25 copies for 5 Top 8 (20%), 4c Blood had 56 copies for 8 Top 8 (~ 14%) in the last 4 GPs - Izzet is the better archetype in this way
* Reanimator had only 10 copies for 3 Top 8 (30%) - it is the best archetype based on this key figure
* Naya had 22 copies for only 1 Top 8 (less than 5%) - take 4c Blood before choosing Naya
* RDW seems dead...25 copies -> no Top 8
* Combo do not work well in bigger tournaments recently - 14 copies but only one Top 8 (High Tide, GP XIV)
* Tolarian Academy seems evil ... but hadn't any Top 8 / Top 16 appearance lately
* Boros isn't anyones choice the last two Cups
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« Reply #23 on: 06-07-2015, 10:31:43 PM »

Obv. I like it better :-) Thx for spending time to analyze and post your evaluation
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« Reply #24 on: 07-07-2015, 12:00:10 PM »

And again i have to ask a stupid question, because i don't understand the scheme... Wink

I played Dark Bant and certainly didn't make Top 16. Am i mentioned in your chart?
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« Reply #25 on: 07-07-2015, 12:07:46 PM »

Without knowing I would guess you´re classified as 1 of 5 Bant Decks. If Vazdru recognized you´re Deck as Dark Bant there would be 2 instead of 1 Dark Bant Deck played at the Cup. One of them made TOp 16. Not that difficult I think.
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« Reply #26 on: 07-07-2015, 12:38:15 PM »

yep, think so
i will check this later...
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« Reply #27 on: 24-07-2015, 01:33:21 PM »


right - sometimes the pilot himself determines the archetype
e. g. last years winner is Esper although for me it looks like UW(b)
http://www.mtgpulse.com/event/18746#263935

the difference is sometimes marginal

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maybe anyone can identify the differences (Prüfschema / review theme) - then i would update Cup XIV and XV

i would recheck decklists / metabreakdown once again if we can agree on a common sheme for seperating UW(b) vs Esper first
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