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1  MagicPlayer Highlander / Off-Topic / Re: Warum immer noch englisch? on: Today at 12:59:49 AM
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Aren't those foreign communities with own forums in their native language exculding other communities?

Everybody uses facebook.

You can go to https://mtgsuomi.fi/keskustelu/index.php?board=28.0 and translate the site to english, just to find out that the finnish people have a dead forum themselves.

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Everybody uses facebook

So you might want to join facebook and join the conversation, or stay here and complain that nobody is using the forum.

2  MagicPlayer Highlander / Banned List & Rules / Re: Changing the effect of our watchlist, to make it more meaningful? on: 15-07-2018, 01:16:09 AM
Or maybe we should give each of the watchlisted cards a certain number and then we allow only, lets say 10 points worth of watchlisted cards.

No seriously, that sounds exactly like canadian highlander.
3  MagicPlayer Highlander / General Discussion / Re: The future of highlander on: 11-07-2018, 08:46:14 AM
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At least the first council member admit...

*the 3rd

There is a large discussion at the Highlander Magic Europe group on facebook which was originally about the watchlist. The players (including me) were wondering why the council came up with the list one week late and gave us no explanations about the changes. As more and more questions came up, I tagged Vazdru, Maqi, Payron and Dr. Opossum. (I only have these 4 as friends on FB) After half a day Payron and Dr. Opossum gave us each a wall of text, which I will post now. (none of the other members posted anything yet)

I would recommend to get yourself a facebook account (does not have to be your real name) and head over to https://www.facebook.com/groups/HighlanderEurope/?ref=bookmarks to get all informations.

Payron:

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Hi guys,

First of all I wanted to tell you, that I am sorry I can’t give your every answer you want at this point. I told already some people in my closer circle, that I can’t put to much energy into this discussion right now because I am in the end of my studies and therefore need to focus on myself first. For everybody which doesn’t know me I am a player from Erfurt and the newest member of the council. I read like every comment of the FB discussions after the banning seasons just you know.

First of all there where some pretty good points made here. Dion is right about the watchlist cards come on and off with every members votes and not every argument is will change the mind of another council member, therefore this list changes quite a bit and cards will be elected by 2 votes from 8. I see that this brings a lot of confusion to the people and we should discuss, if this makes sense for us in the future. In my mind the watchlist is a tool, that we can outline, which cards we should focus on for the next season. It makes it easier to focus for us and not to surprise everybody with a totally new unbanned / banned card. The argument was made quite often that we vote just on personal opinions and I got to tell you that this is a big part of it, but we can’t realy change this because of the lack of data. Wald Wolf wants to delete all the expensive cards for good reason. It’s to expensive for newcomers, but then you want to drop also HL for Canadian HL, which is by far even more expensive. I think HL is an eternal format and we need the old cards kind of, but we need to watch out if they are to strong in the meta right now. (obv)

I am totally on Jan Knarr’s side, if you guys want to discuss here we need a guideline, why we need to ban and unban cards. You guy’s are could be right about skullclamp, but I want to ask you: What will this change do for the meta and which problems does it fix? In my mind we should unban cards, if we have a healthy meta and can afford to try something. So the first question would be: Do we have a healthy meta right now? Some here say yes and some here say no? Again we have out major issue with gathering data. And at this point I want to thank Dion for his work (and I guess nobody realy knows how much work this is expect a few people) to upload so much decklists. Also a HUGE project was started by Jörn Franke, who started working on our Highlander Decks section on MKM and gathered a lot of datas to upload, them and I was happy to support him within this project. You guys can find here events, which are going back to 2005. So this would be a good source if you need data. Thank you guys so much for this work.

I am now about 1 year in the council and I don’t know if everything goes right (or everything goes wrong?), but there are people which put a lot of passion and effort in projects for the community. We are small and we do the best to evaluate Changes to the Meta, with the Data we got.

My personal opinion right now: I think we have a pretty healthy metagame right now, but it could be that some busted decks are over the top, which still fly under the radar. This Banning season was kind of bad for you guys and I am sorry for that. I had the feeling everybody thinks the metagame is healthy right now and therefore we don’t need any big explanations, I guess we were wrong in this point.
You guys want us to evaluate the Meta on data (which we realy try to gather, but we also need your help) or do you want us to say: We think entomb and Academy and Oath are over the top cards and we have no data that they have the consistency to win every event, but we ban them anyways?! I think that would be the opposite of good work.
In the end I want just to state skullclamp as an example, I could see this unbanned, but my question is also, what does it achieve in out meta. If there is a boogie man in the format right now It might be some combo deck or just reanimator. In this case skullclamp, will make the midrange fights more random and one sided and the boogie man just doesn’t care because they try to ignore the other side of the battlefield anyways.

Thanks again for everybody, which puts so much work in our format. The players, which travel miles to every event, people collecting and uploading events, people building up the local community and doing planning events for us and everybody who puts effort in a good discussion.

Greetings

Jan


Dr. Opossum:

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At the same time I wrote a similar length of text parallel to Jan. However, I would describe a few things less embellished. So let's get it more spicy. ^^
a. The Council
All the anger of the last days about the changes, the participation, motivation, all the discontent about our work and displeasure on MPO, in the groups, etc. is deserved. The Council has this self-inflicted and no one wants to gloss over that. Not only you are dissatisfied. The lack of motivation in the community and in the council itself also disturbs the few active council members. With 100 excuses for inactivity, some members are clinging to a position that obviously and for a long time can not be filled. "I have a family." "We do not currently play Highlander in my area." "I write exams." "I actively participated 700 years ago." "That will surely change again soon." No, it will not. An exam should not be responsible for not making your votes within the deadline. Activity is measured by current engagement and collaboration and not by successes of x years ago. And if you are involved in other duties for a long time, the Council position is obviously not workable for you. With occasional posts in the forum activity is fooled where none is.
I am pleased to hear from our Finnish community members how active Juha and Toumas seem to be in their region. I am also surprised by Juha's post because the only part I can really confirm as a Council member is the "I could not find words" part. So many Finnish people are regularly posting decklists here, participating in the discussions, posting event links. The connection to the Finnish region is due to you, the Finnish community. Without this group, the rest of the council would have no idea what is actually happening in Finland. Do not get me wrong, I will not take me out there. EVERY individual Council member is, in my opinion, unable to perform his duties to the extent that is desirable.

b. Watchlist Changes
Why does the watchlist exist? WotC does not need a list, so why us? The big problem of the watchlist is not in their length or the cards on it. The big problem is the difference in definition. Our goal is not to pinpoint as many community members as possible, to confuse or to threaten with a ban / unban. WotC manages formats that have a much larger player base. Potential Bannings and Unbannings can be guessed on Pro tours or Grand Prix. We do not have this luxury here. Far too little "big tournaments" are just a sample of potentially problematic decks or cards. So, to prepare players for at least a little bit on POSSIBLE changes, the watchlist was invented. This does NOT mean that these cards are actually banned / unbaned. It just means that these cards have to be watched in the current format and have to be monitored and discussed more intensely by ALL Community and Council members. The watchlist is considered a "snapshot". So against this background, I see no reason to remove or shorten the watchlist. However, even within the Council, not all members share my definition and also the community repeatedly has different views on the watchlist formulated by us. Therefore, I understand the criticism of the list absolutely.

c. Transparency
The rules within the council forbid me to talk about the votes and opinions of other specific members. This should primarily protect individuals from fortunately FEW unnecessarily aggressive "wolves". It means that it is up to the Council Members themselves to publish their personal votes. I'm not very interested in whether other people like this rule. Personally, I find it really useful if hostility, incitement and over-emotionalism shape discussions instead of productive criticism. Although the Council is far from being innocent of the current situation, specific responses are inappropriate.
Nonetheless, the watch and ban list apparently reflects a common denominator. The Council members are people with strong beliefs and we all have a very stubborn view of the format. That does not seem to be much different among community members. At Scullclamp, Mystical Tutor and Co the minds part. A common denominator has the big problem that it does not really satisfy anyone. Everybody votes for his perfect outcome and at the end you have a list with the overlaps. In my opinion, a meaningful list can be achieved less with majorities of individual votings - OUTCOMES must be discussed. Common denominators are feasible only with the procedure and the basic rules (What do all of us want? What do we not want? for example: first-turn kills, etc.). But: Highlander consists of two very different groups. The first one wants a T2, Modern or Legacy comparable format and a most competitive atmosphere. The others want the broadest possible pool of cards to use in kitchen table rounds, play iconic old cards that they can not play in other formats and still attend a bigger tournament every now and then. Obviously, both groups are necessary and important for the continuation of the format, which has its roots in small playgroups.

d. Future
I still believe that a council is the most meaningful solution, as long as accessibility, voting guidelines, process, anonymity and protection against voting abuse are not clarified. However, I like to admit that the Council is not much more productive in the form in which it is. However, that will not change as long as inactive council members stick to their position.
I also do not think Canadian Highlander is the solution to the problem. Our format is shrinking because no proxies are allowed for small-scale tournaments. The most meaningful task of the Council would therefore be rather to establish the connection between tournament organizers and their region. If necessary, explain and initiate playgroups on how to host Highlander tournaments without Store Owner. The expensive entry into the format certainly will not be easier with the "Unban" of all cards.
On the other hand, a ban of the Reserved List is similarly problematic. The lack of duals would generate a completely new format, which also requires a completely new banned list. At worst, we end up with similar problem as the modern highlander attempt a few years earlier (limited choice of cards, decks can not/ rarely cope with more than 3 colors, splitting of the community).
However, if the community's desire for alternative formats grows and threatens to erode the current format, I agree and support it if this is what wanted. Overall, the mood in recent polls about the current banned list was very positive. Many of you would have noticed that everyone, like the Council, has their own ideas of the optimal format. "Somehow satisfied" is therefore a condition that I can personally live with. That's why I've put my votings for bannings (for example the tutors, specific cards) behind personal views.



4  MagicPlayer Highlander / General Discussion / Re: The future of highlander on: 09-07-2018, 11:25:36 PM
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For the longevity of the format I think it's important to polish up how the format appears to potential new players.
I think the two formats can co-exist. I also think suddenly switching to some other format is a hard sell over here and honestly will make more people quit highlander altogether rather than get new people in. I don't see how switching to Canlander suddenly makes the format more appealing over here. I think it's just the larger trend of eternal formats getting played less and less.
Rather than arguing bands, we'd be arguing points. And I suspect we'd have very little influence on those.

+1
5  MagicPlayer Highlander / General Discussion / Re: The future of highlander on: 09-07-2018, 10:37:48 PM
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beloved highlander format is slowly dying.








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because of various reasons:

It seems like you have like 2 reasons at max.

Do you really think JK will create more tournaments for canadian HL when there are none for european HL?
6  MagicPlayer Highlander / New Editions / Re: M19 additions to your highlander?! on: 09-07-2018, 12:42:29 AM
I am playing Ub Wizards and might add these two cards Wink



7  MagicPlayer Highlander / Banned List & Rules / Re: 01. April 2018 Ban list community discussion on: 03-07-2018, 08:44:35 PM
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AFAIK votes from 2 council members can put a card on the watchlist. I think this is problematic...

I don't see any problem with cards on the watchlist, they are only getting a closer look at these cards. 
8  MagicPlayer Highlander / Deck Lists / Re: We need to post decklists! on: 28-06-2018, 02:44:14 PM
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Does anyone know, how to publish decklists on cardmarket (@Vazdru)? If TO know how to publish on cardmarket,  we players should remember them to publish those. 

At the moment, if you want lists posted on mkm,you send them to Jan Münch and he sends them to mkm. Then it takes 1 week or more till they are published.

 But for me its way easier to simply upload the lists to mtgdecks and after 1 hour everything is there. And if something is wrong I can change thr lists myself.

At the moment mtgdecks "highlander" section, has also canadian hl in it.

(btw it sucks to write forum posts on the phone)

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 It would be really nice to know, why this attempt failed.

As far as I know, the website is complete but someone has to be responsible for the site. (impressum) Since nobody is willing to do that, there is no website.



9  MagicPlayer Highlander / Deck Lists / Re: We need to post decklists! on: 28-06-2018, 01:41:53 AM
mtgdecks is the site I use because I am able to upload lists there. #easy

I am more of a practical person, I don't get why you would want to discuss the Dos and Don'ts of uploading decklists and the usage of forums vs facebook instead of simply doing anything. If you want to have more traffic here post something interesting, start a conversation. If you want mkm to be the main site start uploading lists there. If you want a new website build one. #easy

facebook is as sleepy as this forum at the moment, the only place where you can find some decent discussions are the METAGAME MASTERS facebook page and the Canadian HL FB Page. Nothing will change that, if no one does anything.
10  MagicPlayer Highlander / Deck Lists / Re: We need to post decklists! on: 27-06-2018, 01:12:45 AM
There isnt more going on on facebook sadly. I took a highlander (and decklist) break for a couple of month, so no lists got posted. I am back so at least some berlin lists will be available at mtgdecks.net
11  MagicPlayer Highlander / Deck Lists / Re: We need to post decklists! on: 26-06-2018, 10:57:10 AM
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12  MagicPlayer Highlander / Reports / Re: Highlander Tournaments in Berlin on: 12-03-2018, 11:42:42 AM
8. Dion 4c Scapeshift (/w R)
13  MagicPlayer Highlander / Deck Lists / Re: We need to post decklists! on: 06-03-2018, 12:04:57 PM
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FB isnt public. Im aware its very useful, but the forum and mentioned websites need decklists too.

Hi I am the the player from Berlin who collects lists on FB AND posts them afterwards on mtgdecks.net


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Bigger tournaments apparently dont happen often enough.

TOs at local tournaments need to incentivise players to make their decklists available - at least the winner - and send them to me, for example. I will be more than happy to post them. I take screenshots and photos too.

There is a lot of value lost when the data isnt shared.

There is a lot of damage done, when players lose interest in a format that looks inactive.

All that is well known, but does not motivate anyone to get active.
If you want to help, go to the tournament report page. Talk to the persons who posts the final standings/archetypes and motivate them to post/send you the decklists.
(btw you need at least 2 decklists for mtgdecks.net or you post 1 deck without any cards in it.)
14  MagicPlayer Highlander / Reports / Re: Highlander Tournaments in Berlin on: 20-01-2018, 03:12:13 PM
Alexander played Selesnya Midrange
15  MagicPlayer Highlander / Reports / Re: Highlander Tournaments in Berlin on: 16-09-2017, 02:36:38 AM
RDW LIST

From me Dion and Max who I gave the deck yesterday Wink


31 Mountain
     1 Barbarian Ring
     1 Wasteland                  
     1 Rishadan Port
     1 Grim Lavamancer
     1 Falkenrath Gorger
     1 Goblin Guide
     1 Monastery Swiftspear
     1 Tattermunge Maniac
     1 Zurgo Bellstriker
     1 Rakdos Cackler
     1 Figure of Destiny
     1 Vexing Devil
     1 Stormblood Berserker
     1 Young Pyromancer
     1 Keldon Marauders
     1 Abbot of Keral Keep
     1 Eidolon of the Great Revel
     1 Ember Hauler
     1 Stigma Lasher                  
     1 Hellspark Elemental
     1 Ash Zealot
     1 Magus of the Moon
     1 Boros Reckoner
     1 Hell's Thunder
     1 Boggart Ram-Gang
     1 Chandra's Phoenix
     1 Ball Lightning
     1 Shard Volley             
     1 Scab-Clan Berserker
     1 Kari Zev, Skyship Raider
     1 Koth of the Hammer
     1 Hellrider
     1 Shrine of Burning Rage
     1 Ankh of Mishra
     1 Thunderbolt
     1 Blood Moon
     1 Sulfuric Vortex
     1 Keldon Champion
     1 Harsh Mentor
     1 Lava Spike
     1 Chain Lightning
     1 Forked Bolt
     1 Burst Lightning
     1 Lightning Bolt
     1 Firebolt
     1 Lightning Strike
     1 Incinerate
     1 Volcanic Hammer
     1 Arc Trail
     1 Price of Progress
     1 Magma Jet
     1 Searing Spear
     1 Flame Rift
     1 Skullcrack
     1 Searing Blaze
     1 Fire Ambush
     1 Searing Blood
     1 Sudden Shock
     1 Incendiary Flow
     1 Flames of the Blood Hand
     1 Chain of Plasma
     1 Char
     1 Exquisite Firecraft
     1 Rift Bolt
     1 Rhystic Lightning
     1 Pulse of the Forge
     1 Firedrinker Satyr
     1 Flame Javelin
     1 Fireblast
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